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Colgate 2017-18
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ColSkate65
Signer of '65 Arena first beam.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Why did I see the game without a fee last night, but tonite they are charging??
Doesn't look good. Down 4-1 presently....
Why did I see the game without a fee last night, but tonite they are charging??
Doesn't look good. Down 4-1 presently....
iowabasedtraveler
Well-known member
Totally agree.
I am proud of the entire team this year, including the staff. Tonight wasn’t their best night, but they didn’t give up. Win together, lose together. The better team is advancing; same with Harvard (and Denver and Saint Cloud) tonight. I will cheer for Clarkson at Lake Placid; in fact, (I will cheer for) anybody but Cornell. I will then follow Minnesota if they are seeded in one of the three Eastern Regionals, and then it is on to Saint Paul. Lots of great college hockey still to be played and seen.
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PeanutButter
New member
There's a high chance that Cornell will play Minnesota in the first round of the NCAA. How come you're cheering for anybody but Cornell?
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Cornell v. Minnesota... Is there any way both teams can lose?
Cornell v. Minnesota... Is there any way both teams can lose?
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iowabasedtraveler
Well-known member
Life-long fan of Colgate, so I have never cared for rival Cornell (from afar). Then, this year, being back in upstate New York and seeing CornelI at home and away, I have really come to dislike their band (crude), their fans (rude) and their rink (dank). Just not a fan of their program.
As for Minnesota, a good friend from Fairbanks, who is also a Minnesota grad, is flying in this week. Since my beloved Colgate and Omaha are done for the season, I imagine that we will follow Minnesota in their Eastern Regional (Allentown, Bridgeport or Worcester). If they are seeded in Sioux Falls, I imagine that we will just head to Allentown. Then we will head to Saint Paul for our annual Frozen Four adventure.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Heyyyyy.....Welcome fish ! Just curious, have you ever been to Class of 65 Rink ?
Cornell v. Minnesota... Is there any way both teams can lose?
Heyyyyy.....Welcome fish ! Just curious, have you ever been to Class of 65 Rink ?
ColSkate65
Signer of '65 Arena first beam.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Thanks to the seniors for their sacrifices & work these past 4 years in putting it all on the ice. And thanks to the coaches and staff for exceeding expectations this season. Picked for last and winding up 6th....and winning our first round home series is something to be proud of, despite the last game. We have a good nucleus of players coming back and hopefully some frosh that can lend a hand in the scoring dept. And hopefully Colton will stay put.
It's always sad to see the season end...I'll have withdrawal symptoms for days ( and no Rangers team to rely on). But the LP Four of Cornell, Harvard, Princeton and Clarkson should prove to be ultra competitive. It would be great if Princeton could make it all the way to the top and give our team something to emulate next year. It is proven that a turnaround within 3-4 years can be done!
As for Minnesota.....I'm rooting for Minneapolis.....the city. Hope the weather is OK there so our womens team can land, beat Wisconsin, and win that NCAA Championship.
Thanks to the seniors for their sacrifices & work these past 4 years in putting it all on the ice. And thanks to the coaches and staff for exceeding expectations this season. Picked for last and winding up 6th....and winning our first round home series is something to be proud of, despite the last game. We have a good nucleus of players coming back and hopefully some frosh that can lend a hand in the scoring dept. And hopefully Colton will stay put.
It's always sad to see the season end...I'll have withdrawal symptoms for days ( and no Rangers team to rely on). But the LP Four of Cornell, Harvard, Princeton and Clarkson should prove to be ultra competitive. It would be great if Princeton could make it all the way to the top and give our team something to emulate next year. It is proven that a turnaround within 3-4 years can be done!
As for Minnesota.....I'm rooting for Minneapolis.....the city. Hope the weather is OK there so our womens team can land, beat Wisconsin, and win that NCAA Championship.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
I reserved a hotel room for about $144 for Friday night after taxes back on November 19th. This was when we had a 4-1-1 league record after 6 games. Unfortunately, I have now cancelled this reservation since Colgate won't be playing there this weekend
But like I said yesterday, this was overall a good season. We earned 17 wins after only getting just 9 last season, and we also earned and won a home playoff series for the first time since 2015. It's still a long way away, but with only 2 seniors (Peterson and Panowyk) seeing regular playing time this season, we should hopefully bring back the majority of this team next season, and get ourselves a top-4 finish and that trip back to Lake Placid. Our Goal is to Score more.
Best of luck to Evan Peterson, Mike Panowyk, Sebastian Weberg, Zac Hamilton, and Bruce Racine in their future endeavors.
Most prices double ECAC weekend in Placid, $400 a night is not uncommon.
I reserved a hotel room for about $144 for Friday night after taxes back on November 19th. This was when we had a 4-1-1 league record after 6 games. Unfortunately, I have now cancelled this reservation since Colgate won't be playing there this weekend
But like I said yesterday, this was overall a good season. We earned 17 wins after only getting just 9 last season, and we also earned and won a home playoff series for the first time since 2015. It's still a long way away, but with only 2 seniors (Peterson and Panowyk) seeing regular playing time this season, we should hopefully bring back the majority of this team next season, and get ourselves a top-4 finish and that trip back to Lake Placid. Our Goal is to Score more.
Best of luck to Evan Peterson, Mike Panowyk, Sebastian Weberg, Zac Hamilton, and Bruce Racine in their future endeavors.
Does anyone think this will happen?
ColSkate65
Signer of '65 Arena first beam.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
We need Shabby to do an in-depth analysis of the incoming recruits to see if more scoring might be their strength...
We need Shabby to do an in-depth analysis of the incoming recruits to see if more scoring might be their strength...
TheGreenCoat
Registered User
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Magoo makes a good point...better-than-expected season and DV and his staff deserve credit for getting the most out of this specific team...much more discipline in our own end - good coverage, active sticks, shot blocking, etc. - with the kids giving their best...no argument here...on the other hand (the turd in the punch bowl) we in no way underachieved, we had a goalie that is one of the top 3 or 4 in DI hockey, we bought into a system that give us the best chance to win with the talent available...and yet we finish at .500. I've been monitoring the incoming kids and see the same type as in previous years, but no McManns nor Cosgroves...I turned last night's game OFF at 2-0...couldn't take it anymore and, against a puck possession team like Clarkson we won 20 out of 63 face offs. I really hope I'm dead wrong, but it's hard to see much improvement next year, even if Point stays...goal scoring would have to increase by at least 25% (2.1/game to 2.6/game) for us to be legitimately competitive against the better teams in the country. Again, good coaching, recruiting in need of improvement...
Magoo makes a good point...better-than-expected season and DV and his staff deserve credit for getting the most out of this specific team...much more discipline in our own end - good coverage, active sticks, shot blocking, etc. - with the kids giving their best...no argument here...on the other hand (the turd in the punch bowl) we in no way underachieved, we had a goalie that is one of the top 3 or 4 in DI hockey, we bought into a system that give us the best chance to win with the talent available...and yet we finish at .500. I've been monitoring the incoming kids and see the same type as in previous years, but no McManns nor Cosgroves...I turned last night's game OFF at 2-0...couldn't take it anymore and, against a puck possession team like Clarkson we won 20 out of 63 face offs. I really hope I'm dead wrong, but it's hard to see much improvement next year, even if Point stays...goal scoring would have to increase by at least 25% (2.1/game to 2.6/game) for us to be legitimately competitive against the better teams in the country. Again, good coaching, recruiting in need of improvement...
Hopefully we can get some more offense from the defense next year. Austin and Cosgrove show great promise, and they can help improve the PP and lead to more goals. I liked what I saw from McKechney. It remains to be seen how much upside our freshman/sophomore forwards have.
Barring early defections (Ryan Donato?), the teams above us in the standings, and Princeton, have good players returning next year. So it won’t be easy to get to the top 4, even with an improved offense.
Barring early defections (Ryan Donato?), the teams above us in the standings, and Princeton, have good players returning next year. So it won’t be easy to get to the top 4, even with an improved offense.
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Before I get to the bulk of my end of season commentary I wanted to clarify that we finished tied for 5th in the ECAC not 6th. Which is a testament to the hard work of both the kids on the team and the coaching staff.
However . . .
I think if you honestly appraise the state of Colgate hockey, this is a high water mark for our program as currently constructed not a sign of tangible progress.
First of all, there is the Point factor. He was so unbelievably good that I think it distorts our true place in the firmament. Stated another way, where does this year’s team finish without Point? I think bottom four without a doubt. And that’s not just idle speculation; look at our record when he didn’t play: 1-5-1 with a goals against of about 3.5. Or viewed through a different lens, go back to the two Princeton games, both Point starts. We tied 0-0 and won 4-0 with Point making over 70 saves in the two games. What was the likely result of those games with another goalie?
But we will almost certainly have Point next year, people will say (with which I agree). Fair enough. That said, as amazing as he was this year, even if he is great again he will probably move back toward the mean. What is more likely statistically speaking, that he improves on 1.76 GAA/.944 save percentage or regresses from that? And what happens if he regresses (even nominally)?
Or ask another question: what is more likely, that Point regresses or we suddenly start miraculously minting 15 goal scorers? Are any players on our current roster going to make a huge jump? McKechney maybe? Anyone else? I’m not seeing it. And to his credit, Panowyk put together a solid season so don’t discount his loss to graduation; I think he was one of our better forwards over the past two months.
But what about incoming recruits?!? I’ve been paying attention to them all season. I have some hope for Jeffrey Stewart who has put together a nice season in Surrey in the BCHL (and who has improved his point totals three years in a row, a good sign). Maybe hope we hit with Griffin Lunn? He’s averaged half a point a game in the USHL which is pretty solid. And we nailed our USHL recruit this year in Nick Austin (who produced little at the USHL level) so maybe we strike lightning twice?
So, that gives us two possibly decent recruits. Certainly not upper echelon talent like an Austin Smith or a Spink twin . . . or even a McMann. As for the other potential recruits, I can’t tell if Arnaud Vachon from Brooks in the AJHL is coming this year or next. But either way, his drop in goal scoring from last year to this is concerning. Jack Hoey? Is he going to come directly from Choate and start producing big time offense? There are a couple of offensive defensemen in the pipeline (Brendan Scanlin from Brooks and Liam Watson-Braun from Prince George in the BCHL) but they are scheduled ‘19-‘20 recruits.
When I look at the totality of it, I just don’t see bushels of goals in our future.
And as if this is not all bad enough, don’t forget that both Yale and Quinnipiac were down this year. I would reckon they are both likely to be better next season. And Princeton looks to be potentially ascendant. I would not be looking so much at moving into the top four as much as desperately trying to remain in the middle four; it’s not going to be easy.
Lastly, several people have said that this was “a good season”. To that point I will certainly concede that the team played hard, was well coached and exceeded expectations. However, I would posit that if .500 denotes “a good season” we have our goals all wrong. Do we think Yale and Quinnipiac who both had similar records to us think they had “good seasons”? Simply being better than our predicted finish of last does not in and of itself denote a good season. Look at the overall makeup of our team. Is it one that we think is poised to become a perennial top four contender? Or are we more likely to slip back into oblivion.
I will close with a point I feel like I make every season. And here I’ll just let the numbers speak for themselves:
In DV’s first 13 years:
8 winning seasons, 5 losing ones. 28 games over .500.
In DV’s next 12 years:
3 winning seasons, 6 losing ones, 3 .500 ones. 41 games under .500.
Is this good enough?
Before I get to the bulk of my end of season commentary I wanted to clarify that we finished tied for 5th in the ECAC not 6th. Which is a testament to the hard work of both the kids on the team and the coaching staff.
However . . .
I think if you honestly appraise the state of Colgate hockey, this is a high water mark for our program as currently constructed not a sign of tangible progress.
First of all, there is the Point factor. He was so unbelievably good that I think it distorts our true place in the firmament. Stated another way, where does this year’s team finish without Point? I think bottom four without a doubt. And that’s not just idle speculation; look at our record when he didn’t play: 1-5-1 with a goals against of about 3.5. Or viewed through a different lens, go back to the two Princeton games, both Point starts. We tied 0-0 and won 4-0 with Point making over 70 saves in the two games. What was the likely result of those games with another goalie?
But we will almost certainly have Point next year, people will say (with which I agree). Fair enough. That said, as amazing as he was this year, even if he is great again he will probably move back toward the mean. What is more likely statistically speaking, that he improves on 1.76 GAA/.944 save percentage or regresses from that? And what happens if he regresses (even nominally)?
Or ask another question: what is more likely, that Point regresses or we suddenly start miraculously minting 15 goal scorers? Are any players on our current roster going to make a huge jump? McKechney maybe? Anyone else? I’m not seeing it. And to his credit, Panowyk put together a solid season so don’t discount his loss to graduation; I think he was one of our better forwards over the past two months.
But what about incoming recruits?!? I’ve been paying attention to them all season. I have some hope for Jeffrey Stewart who has put together a nice season in Surrey in the BCHL (and who has improved his point totals three years in a row, a good sign). Maybe hope we hit with Griffin Lunn? He’s averaged half a point a game in the USHL which is pretty solid. And we nailed our USHL recruit this year in Nick Austin (who produced little at the USHL level) so maybe we strike lightning twice?
So, that gives us two possibly decent recruits. Certainly not upper echelon talent like an Austin Smith or a Spink twin . . . or even a McMann. As for the other potential recruits, I can’t tell if Arnaud Vachon from Brooks in the AJHL is coming this year or next. But either way, his drop in goal scoring from last year to this is concerning. Jack Hoey? Is he going to come directly from Choate and start producing big time offense? There are a couple of offensive defensemen in the pipeline (Brendan Scanlin from Brooks and Liam Watson-Braun from Prince George in the BCHL) but they are scheduled ‘19-‘20 recruits.
When I look at the totality of it, I just don’t see bushels of goals in our future.
And as if this is not all bad enough, don’t forget that both Yale and Quinnipiac were down this year. I would reckon they are both likely to be better next season. And Princeton looks to be potentially ascendant. I would not be looking so much at moving into the top four as much as desperately trying to remain in the middle four; it’s not going to be easy.
Lastly, several people have said that this was “a good season”. To that point I will certainly concede that the team played hard, was well coached and exceeded expectations. However, I would posit that if .500 denotes “a good season” we have our goals all wrong. Do we think Yale and Quinnipiac who both had similar records to us think they had “good seasons”? Simply being better than our predicted finish of last does not in and of itself denote a good season. Look at the overall makeup of our team. Is it one that we think is poised to become a perennial top four contender? Or are we more likely to slip back into oblivion.
I will close with a point I feel like I make every season. And here I’ll just let the numbers speak for themselves:
In DV’s first 13 years:
8 winning seasons, 5 losing ones. 28 games over .500.
In DV’s next 12 years:
3 winning seasons, 6 losing ones, 3 .500 ones. 41 games under .500.
Is this good enough?
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TheGreenCoat
Registered User
Re: Colgate 2017-18
Marmot, hard to top your excellent and very objective analysis...I might also note one or two more things...this is somewhat of a "down" year for the ECAC (IF we had beaten Clarkson is game #3 on Sunday night the league was potentially looking at ONE NCAA bid) and I would expect some improvement next year. And Gate Radio was, of course, correct in stating that we are a young team. But several other ECAC teams are very young as well, most notably Yale. If my info is correct Jack Hoey arrives on campus next year (Yale apparently wanted him as well, but typically wanted him to do a year or two in the USHL). Gallant is very young (DOB 5/2000) so he's probably at least one year away (and maybe two). Vachon's #s have stagnated this year (arrival 2019?). Stewart and Lunn look like they will help. But the bottom line remains pretty much the same: scoring, scoring, scoring. You simply can't expect a .940 save percentage next year on a barrage of shots...
Marmot, hard to top your excellent and very objective analysis...I might also note one or two more things...this is somewhat of a "down" year for the ECAC (IF we had beaten Clarkson is game #3 on Sunday night the league was potentially looking at ONE NCAA bid) and I would expect some improvement next year. And Gate Radio was, of course, correct in stating that we are a young team. But several other ECAC teams are very young as well, most notably Yale. If my info is correct Jack Hoey arrives on campus next year (Yale apparently wanted him as well, but typically wanted him to do a year or two in the USHL). Gallant is very young (DOB 5/2000) so he's probably at least one year away (and maybe two). Vachon's #s have stagnated this year (arrival 2019?). Stewart and Lunn look like they will help. But the bottom line remains pretty much the same: scoring, scoring, scoring. You simply can't expect a .940 save percentage next year on a barrage of shots...
Re: Colgate 2017-18
For those looking ahead, here's what next season's league schedule looks like so far:
<pre>
Nov. 2 Brown
Nov. 3 Yale
Nov. 16 Princeton
Nov. 17 Quinnipiac
Nov. 30 @Harvard
Dec. 1 @Dartmouth
Jan. 4 @Quinnipiac
Jan. 5 @Princeton
Jan. 18 Dartmouth
Jan. 19 Harvard
Feb. 1 @RPI
Feb. 2 @Union
Feb. 8 St. Lawrence
Feb. 9 Clarkson
Feb. 15 @Yale
Feb. 16 @Brown
Feb. 22 Union
Feb. 23 RPI
Mar. 1 @Clarkson
Mar. 2 @St. Lawrence
</pre>
As always, the games vs. Cornell are TBD. Hopefully they're at the end of January and not in November.
For OOC opponents (not confirmed, this is based on recent OOC opponents reciprocating home/away series):
-UNH (home x2)
-Western Michigan (home x2)
-Canisius (home x1)
-Niagara (away x1)
-6 other games/opponents TBD
For those looking ahead, here's what next season's league schedule looks like so far:
<pre>
Nov. 2 Brown
Nov. 3 Yale
Nov. 16 Princeton
Nov. 17 Quinnipiac
Nov. 30 @Harvard
Dec. 1 @Dartmouth
Jan. 4 @Quinnipiac
Jan. 5 @Princeton
Jan. 18 Dartmouth
Jan. 19 Harvard
Feb. 1 @RPI
Feb. 2 @Union
Feb. 8 St. Lawrence
Feb. 9 Clarkson
Feb. 15 @Yale
Feb. 16 @Brown
Feb. 22 Union
Feb. 23 RPI
Mar. 1 @Clarkson
Mar. 2 @St. Lawrence
</pre>
As always, the games vs. Cornell are TBD. Hopefully they're at the end of January and not in November.
For OOC opponents (not confirmed, this is based on recent OOC opponents reciprocating home/away series):
-UNH (home x2)
-Western Michigan (home x2)
-Canisius (home x1)
-Niagara (away x1)
-6 other games/opponents TBD