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Colgate 2011-12

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As we've seen, Cornell and Union have raised the bar pretty high for 'Gate next season. Here's hoping we can kick it up a notch. The frosh are a key component; hope they will be ready to put their shoulders to the task and provide some experience to add to the upper classmen. We don't want the ECAC to become a two or three-team league. We've gotta hold serve.
 
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Speaking of next year's frosh, the Cornwall Colts have advanced to the next playoff round. All four incoming 'Gate recruits have been good with Borkowski raising his game with 10 points in four games.
 
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ColSkate65 said:
As we've seen, Cornell and Union have raised the bar pretty high for 'Gate next season. Here's hoping we can kick it up a notch. The frosh are a key component; hope they will be ready to put their shoulders to the task and provide some experience to add to the upper classmen. We don't want the ECAC to become a two or three-team league. We've gotta hold serve.
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Amazing what the Dutchmen have done with their program. They're a young team and all of their star players return for next season. May as well give them the Whitelaw now - they look unstoppable. Proud that the league has such a fine representative in the FF...but U is a school without scholarships, with the youngest DI program in our league (Qpac?), has an undesirable hockey rink, and yet is a team that has been and will be in the national spotlight for several years...while an established Colgate team falls short in every playoff. Have to believe it starts and ends with great goaltending, among other things.

We had our Cinderella run in 1990 but wonder where that has gotten us, really, as it becomes more of a distant memory and harder to cling to. Let's see where it gets Union. Maybe if hockey was our only DI sport like it is for them, things would be different. It seems opportunities like this come along once in a lifetime. Adonal Foyle, 2003 football...will be waiting a long time for that magic to return to Colgate.
 
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TchrBill said:
Amazing what the Dutchmen have done with their program. They're a young team and all of their star players return for next season. May as well give them the Whitelaw now - they look unstoppable. Proud that the league has such a fine representative in the FF...but U is a school without scholarships, with the youngest DI program in our league (Qpac?), has an undesirable hockey rink, and yet is a team that has been and will be in the national spotlight for several years...while an established Colgate team falls short in every playoff. Have to believe it starts and ends with great goaltending, among other things.

We had our Cinderella run in 1990 but wonder where that has gotten us, really, as it becomes more of a distant memory and harder to cling to. Let's see where it gets Union. Maybe if hockey was our only DI sport like it is for them, things would be different. It seems opportunities like this come along once in a lifetime. Adonal Foyle, 2003 football...will be waiting a long time for that magic to return to Colgate.
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Union does not give athletic scholarships. Everything a player receives is based on financial aid which can be supported in any or all of three ways....1) Student Loans 2) Work Study 3) Parental contribution based on their need

Union does a fanastic job recruiting and finding the player that a lot of scholarship schools have passed on. In my opinion, financial aid is a benefit because if you make a mistake, it doesn't cost you, you just replace the player. With scholarships, you have to live with that mistake. Colgate only has 16 scholarships compared to 18 of other scholarship schools. Also, I don't believe they can recruit a player on financial aid. Therefore, with limited scholarships, Colgate is at a disadvantage recruiting wise right out of the 'Gate.....sorry I couldn't resist:)
 
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We've really got no excuse. These playoffs failures get more frustrating each year. On another note, I don't know if Union is the youngest. I think Harvard might be.

Good luck to the Dutchmen and hope they represent the ECAC well. About handing them the Whitelaw (think you meant Cleary) right away, watch out for the travel partner. They're young and will be very good.

Given our losses, a top half finish would be a start.
 
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Agreed in that we shouldn't be conceding 2012-2013 trophies to Union yet. Although they are very deep, there is a good chance Jeremy Welsh, their best player, may turn pro early. And he was by far the best player on the ice for either team last night. Plus, success year to year is no given thing. See Yale '11-'12.

That said, it's good to see an ECAC team make the Frozen Four. Three wins for the league in the tourney so far, not bad.
 
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We have 4.5 scholarships a year, so that's 18. And my understanding is that they can dole out half scholarships, any way they want.
 
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Marmot said:
Agreed in that we shouldn't be conceding 2012-2013 trophies to Union yet. Although they are very deep, there is a good chance Jeremy Welsh, their best player, may turn pro early. And he was by far the best player on the ice for either team last night. Plus, success year to year is no given thing. See Yale '11-'12.

That said, it's good to see an ECAC team make the Frozen Four. Three wins for the league in the tourney so far, not bad.
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Scuttlebutt I've read says Grosenick may go pro in addition to Welsh; this may or may not be true, who knows? In any case I would not conseed anything to any team for next season. It's way too early. (Besides I picked Yale to win the league this year :)

We should take some satisfaction in holding a 2-1 record against one of the Midwest Regional teams; the flip side is that we were 0-3 against an East Regional -- and FF -- entry.
 
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ColSkate65 said:
Scuttlebutt I've read says Grosenick may go pro in addition to Welsh; this may or may not be true, who knows? In any case I would not conseed anything to any team for next season. It's way too early. (Besides I picked Yale to win the league this year :)

We should take some satisfaction in holding a 2-1 record against one of the Midwest Regional teams; the flip side is that we were 0-3 against an East Regional -- and FF -- entry.
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And 0-5 overall against FF teams....2-4 would have been a little bit better
 
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I can vouch for the fact that it's four scholarships per year and 16 total, two under the NCAA limit.

So when you have a 24-25 man roster, that's around 1/3 of the players (eight) paying their own way at Colgate which isn't cheap (nor are most of the other ECAC schools for that matter), even if it is with some financial aid.

Another phrase that Colgate contends with and some others in the league do not, "academic index" or AI.
 
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Hmmm..I stand corrected, I thought four a year also until recently. FWIW...the McNamara brothers packed their bags and left the team Saturday before the Cornell game.
 
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I guess they quit the team because they weren't going to play against Cornell. This was told to me by someone who was talking to their parents in AC. All I know !
 
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from the above posts (and thank you all) it now appears that perhaps our fall in the league's hierarchy and the advent of scholarships to Colgate was not a coincidental event. Four versus 4.5 scholarships doesn't sound like much, but it's potentially a distinct upgrade of two players per annual roster (and may account for some of our lack of quality in depth). Union did it right several years ago; the program received commitments from its President, the AD and its board to pursue a program with the goal of success and not mediocrity. Furthermore, their version of our Silver Puck Council was MUCH MORE proactive in expanding membership, raising additional funds, and becoming a very visible part of Union DI hockey. I say congrats to the Dutchmen and hope they go all the way. As I said in a recent post, we could learn a few things from the way they conduct business (and without one player on the roster being an NHL draft pick).
 
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why not go to 4.5 scholarships??? I believe Mark Fulton was our first scholarship player. We also understand the benefits of the "full ride", but risks abound. And thinking of this over the past ten minutes it is no surprise that since Fulton arrived we have demonstrated an ability to attract top tier talent WITH A DISTINCT LACK OF DEPTH. Look at Union's lines and the quality players they have skating on their 2nd and 3rd lines. There's an optimal mix here, but we're not even in the game (16 vs. 18 is important). And remember, our program has been relatively lucky on the injury front over the past several seasons. You give out 2 scholarships in one year that do not pan out and you're in trouble. With the number of seniors leaving this year we could certainly use 5 grant-in-aid recipients next October. To repeat: Union did its homework, got the needed commitments and has gone from a bottom third program in the ECAC to a Final Four.
 
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why not go to 4.5 scholarships??? I believe Mark Fulton was our first scholarship player. We also understand the benefits of the "full ride", but risks abound. And thinking of this over the past ten minutes it is no surprise that since Fulton arrived we have demonstrated an ability to attract top tier talent WITH A DISTINCT LACK OF DEPTH. Look at Union's lines and the quality players they have skating on their 2nd and 3rd lines. There's an optimal mix here, but we're not even in the game (16 vs. 18 is important). And remember, our program has been relatively lucky on the injury front over the past several seasons. You give out 2 scholarships in one year that do not pan out and you're in trouble. With the number of seniors leaving this year we could certainly use 5 grant-in-aid recipients next October. To repeat: Union did its homework, got the needed commitments and has gone from a bottom third program in the ECAC to a Final Four.
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Ask the administration and BOT, since they put in the rule about 16 instead of 18. Also, I believe the class of '08 was the first scholarship class.

P.S. Shabby, might be time to get the off season thread going.
 
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Next year Bill !!!
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Here's to post #1000...and a memorable season.

There isn't a sport or a season when I don't think that isn't true, Shabby. There is something to be [proudly] said for having the highest graduation rate...even if it doesn't equate into winning seasons for our sports teams. However, the latter seems to be better for recruiting purposes ;)

By the time the hockey seasons (M/W) are over, I am exhausted. It begins with football the first week of September...I live for weekends at Andy Kerr, and when they coincide with the beginning of hockey, it's a win-win...from Andy Kerr to Starr Rink, no better way to spend a day! The time, the energy, the driving (and driving, and driving, and driving), the hotels, the meals, the money...only to repeat the cycle all over again in September.

But for now, go MLax and...
Go 'Gate
 
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