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Colgate 2010-11

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Can anyone else give a good explanation as to why we keep pulling our goalie down three goals?

Yes I can tell you. Isn't it a good time to work on pulling the goalie when it doesn't matter so that you have experience with the play for when it does matter? But, it would be a lot better if the coaches pulled the goalie when we have possession of the puck versus when we just lost possession (Harvard game). As critical as I am of the weakness and flaws of the coaching staff, I don't have a problem with the goalie pulls. I am more concerned as to why we keep making the same mistakes over and over or that we go into the locker room after a bad period and don't adjust our play to meet the competition. No coaching there. I am also concerned that the same players get away with undisciplined play and dumb penalties off the puck.
 
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Yes I can tell you. Isn't it a good time to work on pulling the goalie when it doesn't matter so that you have experience with the play for when it does matter?

Hmm . . . that seems a logical explanation. Of course, the fact that we have need and ample opportunity to practice our goalie pull when down three goals so it will be a more polished maneuver when we are only down one or two goals is too depressing to contemplate.
 
Hmm . . . that seems a logical explanation. Of course, the fact that we have need and ample opportunity to practice our goalie pull when down three goals so it will be a more polished maneuver when we are only down one or two goals is too depressing to contemplate.

True but a lot of our losses have been in one goal games too. Best to work on things when given an opportunity. But agree that wish we weren't having these opportunities to work on it.
 
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perhaps at the conclusion of the season (which I suspect will be sometime in very early March) we can set up a series with Michigan Tech...after losing tonight they are now 3-20-3, slightly BETTER than our record...no doubt they'd be favorites since they've played a more difficult schedule...
 
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I'm one that hesitates to comment, but enough is enough.....Everyone talks about lack of talent. Lets try lack of direction.
Plenty of teams in our league alone, with less talent that still manage to play .500 hockey.
This wont change until their is a major sweep from the top.

Would a GM or coach in any other league still have a job! with a record like that.
 
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we're now #57 in the KRACH rankings; Univ-Alabama Huntville passes up recently, probably because they beat UN-Omaha last night (a decent win BTW)...only Sacred Heart now stands between us and the cellar, probably due to our win in November...however, SH had actually improved over the year so a rematch could be a real doozy...anybody who thinks we have a talent level equivalent to a .500 ECAC team needs serious medication...there are no easy fixes here and admitting a real lack of depth of talent is only step #1 in turning this Titanic around...rearranging the deck chairs ain't gonna do it...the "easy" solutions - bad coaching, bad bounces, bad goaltending is attractive to some because those fixes are easier to accomplish. Our recruiting report card over the last five years? Perhaps a D or D-...I still believe Don wants to win and win badly...I still believe he is a good coach...what he does have to have accountable for is being behind the curve in adapting to the new style in college hockey and the effort required to elevate the program to be competitive again...as many of us say (and the current crisis in Egypt brings this point home in spades): "drill baby drill"...if his current assistant coaches can't get it done, go out and get new ones. Go to the AD and demand whatever is necessary to stop the bleeding (even if useless), then go to the administration (Herbst has to be better than Chopp) and press the issue. And Silver Puck HAS to be more proactive in both raising money and being a strong advocate for turning around the ship. This "go along, get along" attitude is disgusting.
 
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Welcome Marmot & RaiderNation
Wish you were joining under better circumstances.

13 GAA in 2 games...EN or not...ugh.
Not a stat I want to ask but when has a team finished the league season without a win?! From 19 OT games to ENGs to a winless conference record, we sure can set the trend. You'd think we could be more motivated knowing Albany is off the docket ;-)

Vaughan is as loyal and nice as they come but his track record, as pointed out, is less than mediocre. He has cultivated some great names during his tenure but even I am losing patience with his inability to produce wins. Unfortunately, his own administration is hanging him out to dry. And who would want to come to Hamilton? Maybe a hard-working DIII coach with perspective and vision. Maybe we're fortunate Vaughan has stayed this long. Recruiting would be an issue if there is constant change in the ranks. I guess our record is the issue right now.

Bring on the playoffs.
 
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Not a stat I want to ask but when has a team finished the league season without a win?!
Within ECAC play, the following teams have finished the league season without a win:
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63-64 MIT (0-10-0)
65-66 RPI (0-13-0)
74-75 Yale (0-19-1)
84-85 Army (0-11-0)
90-91 Dartmouth (0-19-3)
 
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I have to make a point to the posters who are always berating the recruiting. This also speaks to the fact that there is talent here in Hamilton.

We always hear that the recruiters should spend more time at the USHL. Well we have and I give you Anthony Hamburg as my example. Dressed 7 games before Christmas and left to go BACK to the USHL where he was recruited from. Since returning to Omaha he has 4 goals and 5 assists in 11 games. That is way above average production for a USHL forward.

He was recruited and came to Hamilton. Now is the talent level on this team that good that here that a kid who can play in the USHL cant get on the ice here?
 
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Reading about Union's and RPI's wins over Yale this weekend makes it apparent that this is becoming a league of the "haves" and "have nots." The fast rise of the Capital District teams, along with Yale's turnaround, and Princeton's sudden winning ways, makes us look even worse. We should have gone from a 19-tie season to some improvement IMHO, but that didn't happen. It's depressing to think that the above mentioned teams will probably only get better and toughter to beat. What's going to happen to 'Gate in the interim? My gut tells me that the loss of Andrew Dickson on the recruiting trail has hurt us a lot. Along with an AD who wants to jump ship, there is definitely turmoil. The kids are trying, no question, but they need the full blown support -- and action -- from those in charge of the program.:o
 
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Gaterooter...yes, there may be some talent, but how do you explain the last 4 3/4 years and, in particular, this year...we're not talking about a team that is 9-15-2 and 4-8-2 in the conference...for ******sake, we're 3-21-2 and 0-12-2...I haven't (and won't) go on the other side of the talent argument by using specific names - I just don't think it is appropriate - but the talent level is not deep and, as I have said now for several years, the loss of Moore and Dickson and the coincident decline in the program's competitiveness is not an accident. Where are successful ECAC programs getting their kids from??? Just take a look at the current rosters...
 
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Just checking in to make sure you all know where I stand: Fire Don Vaughan. Which from here on out I shall refer to as "F-DV".
 
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400 Million......I don't see anything about a new rink which is supposed to be $40,000,000. Please !!!!!
 
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With all those millions couldn't they rake off $5-$10 mil to upgrade and/or build a new rink?
 
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Tough to even bring myself to stop by this thread this year. How a team with some obvious talent (the Sullivan - no Gate homer - picked us 2nd in the league based on our returning players) can lose so many one goal games (or 2 with eng) without at least getting lucky once is beyond me. But, while I think he over-states his case sometimes, Greencoat is right that depth is the biggest culprit. Too much time played by the top lines results in diminished performance by those lines, poor special teams and late game break-downs - all the things that have killed the raiders this year. And, while I have never been a huge fan of Vaughn's style, I don't believe he is leaving great talent sitting on the bench to play his favorites. Nor do I think the current staff (though so far not as good as Andy and Stan) are incapable of finding good players. There are several NHL/high AHL level players that these coaches have brought to Colgate currently in the pros and several on the team who have a good chance of ending up in that category on the team now. There just simply aren't enough of them. Given who Colgate is, the quality of the team will always depend on finding a few overlooked diamonds in the rough players. Sometimes those players work out, sometimes they don't. Right now if one or two don't work out as hoped, even if they are ok players overall, a promising season becomes a lost season. The hard cap on the number of players allowed on the team is destructive to competitiveness and I can't think of a single rational justification. Moreover, given the nature of modern hockey, the pressure it puts on players to stay on the ice when tired or hurt is scarily dangerous. No matter who the coach is, they are not going to have sustained success with this handicap in place.

In my opinion Starr is a more serious hinderance to Colgate's success than we on this board like to admit. I love the place because of my memories but it is one of the worst rinks in D-I. It has nothing to draw in the casual spectator and is a recruiting millstone. It doesn't take more than 1 or 2 players to completely change the fortunes of a team - my guess is that, at its least damaging, Starr is costing us a really good prospect each and every year. Hopefully, a new varsity sports complex, complete with new rink(s) is not too far off. The Passion for the Climb announcement is good news in that 1) money is obviously out there 2) more fin. aid means better packages for all, including hockey players and 3) it provides cover for Herbst - having his first big announcement be a sports complex could have been a bit difficult politically. As for the lack of mention, fund raising for a sports building would generally occur outside the main campaign for political and donation maximization reasons. Don't know whether the rumors are true or not, but if the quiet phase of fundraising for a new rink is underway, it would be in addition to, not part of the endowment drive.

Couple of other points of potential interest:

Four of the top five teams in the ECAC have coaches with tenure < 10 years. The two longest serving coaches guide the #10 and #12 ranked teams.

Princeton's rise this year shouldn't be all that surprising - they were good in 07-08 and 08-09 before being hit with the injury bug last year

If nothing significant changes, for at least the third straight year, Colgate's "best" player will be its most penalized - Day has 46 PIM y-t-d compared to 26 all of last year and 20 higher than the next most penalized team member ; McIntyre's 60 PIM last year was 28 more minutes then the next most penalized player; McIntyre led the team in 08-09 too but was only a little ahead of McPherson. Don't know what it means except that our biggest scoring threats seem to be spending a disproportionate amount of time in the box.
 
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Gate93...one of the best posts I've read...please post more...especially relevant, I believe, is your point that we are forced to overplay our best players such that by the middle of the third period they are wasted...Cox and Williams were very important in that they accepted their roles (defensive forwards, penalty kill players, etc.) and carried out their responsiblities very, very well. Both came to Colgate with decent offensive pedigrees. Now we have to use our best players on the penalty kill and the PP. McIntire was great, but Cox and Williams have not been replaced because our depth is not good. Pray for a new building...the Spink twins are coming...
 
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