hockeyfan77
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Re: Coaching Change at USM
You would be correct....It had nothing to do with the economic issues....
You would be correct....It had nothing to do with the economic issues....
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Coaching Change at USM
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Old Rook NU'66
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Re: Coaching Change at USM
Maybe you are right—-the Beaney situation and USMs financial crisis are separate issues. But I am fairly certain that the interim President of USM has a lot more to be concerned about right now midst leading the search for a permanent USM President, 9,800 students and two campuses, while dealing with the layoffs of 64 faculty and staff members, the killing of five academic programs and a $16 million short fall. Those would seem to be a bigger priority that than dealing with a 2-10 hockey record the coach and maybe an anonymous letter from a whining parent/student.
Actually, I still believe blaming the anonymous letter to the Acting President of USM as the leverage that cost Beaney his job—is as preposterous as the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
So maybe its time to consider the second alternative I suggested—that it is not about money but performance.
And if that’s the case isn’t the question I asked earlier relevant, e.g. how many fans would feel satisfied if USM were their favorite hockey program and had not had a winning season in seven years—and was off to a 1 and 9 start this season? Wouldn’t they be howling for the coach Beaney’s head if their team posted that kind of performance?
Like I said earlier--it was a sad dismissal for Beaney during the holidays—just as it has been for the other 64 at USM. And that is a fact that is undeniable ---regardless. So lets play hockey.
Maybe you are right—-the Beaney situation and USMs financial crisis are separate issues. But I am fairly certain that the interim President of USM has a lot more to be concerned about right now midst leading the search for a permanent USM President, 9,800 students and two campuses, while dealing with the layoffs of 64 faculty and staff members, the killing of five academic programs and a $16 million short fall. Those would seem to be a bigger priority that than dealing with a 2-10 hockey record the coach and maybe an anonymous letter from a whining parent/student.
Actually, I still believe blaming the anonymous letter to the Acting President of USM as the leverage that cost Beaney his job—is as preposterous as the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
So maybe its time to consider the second alternative I suggested—that it is not about money but performance.
And if that’s the case isn’t the question I asked earlier relevant, e.g. how many fans would feel satisfied if USM were their favorite hockey program and had not had a winning season in seven years—and was off to a 1 and 9 start this season? Wouldn’t they be howling for the coach Beaney’s head if their team posted that kind of performance?
Like I said earlier--it was a sad dismissal for Beaney during the holidays—just as it has been for the other 64 at USM. And that is a fact that is undeniable ---regardless. So lets play hockey.
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hockeyfan77
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Re: Coaching Change at USM
Well there must have been somebody in that grassy knoll....You are wrong and it really gives people the wrong impression about what happened....You DO NOT know the facts, and I do and I kinda find it unbelievable that after almost 14 years of posting you are challenging my creditability...But if you need to be that guy: so be it...
Well there must have been somebody in that grassy knoll....You are wrong and it really gives people the wrong impression about what happened....You DO NOT know the facts, and I do and I kinda find it unbelievable that after almost 14 years of posting you are challenging my creditability...But if you need to be that guy: so be it...
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I am curious...given that you KNOW what happened...did Coach Beaney's forced retirement have anything to do with 6 players walking off his team at the winter break?
I am curious...given that you KNOW what happened...did Coach Beaney's forced retirement have anything to do with 6 players walking off his team at the winter break?
Old Rook NU'66
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Re: Coaching Change at USM
Thanks llama--for this additional insight into this sad drama. Surely hockeyfan77 will be happy to fill in the missing blanks on those six equally missing lads who took a hike over the holidays.
So back to hockey.
Thanks llama--for this additional insight into this sad drama. Surely hockeyfan77 will be happy to fill in the missing blanks on those six equally missing lads who took a hike over the holidays.
So back to hockey.hockeyfan77
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6 players??? That's an exaggeration and what about the 20 players that couldn't wait for those selected few to leave??? Yes they walked (and not 6) because they were unhappy with playing time: The person(s) behind the letter are still on the team....Again, please inform me of what you know and I assure you I know more....Again, if you are unhappy with playing time, write a letter to the President and get the coach fired...I wouldn't want those kids on my team??? Not sure what you point is as it has already been addressed....The also lost two guys at break because the couldn't get enough aid as well....I guess I am fighting a losing battle... I guess going behind the coaches back cause you are unhappy with playing time or how you are being used in a game and getting him fired is now an admiral thing to do???? So, the only power a coach really has nowadays is ice time, so what happens when you take that away: what's the point in even having a coach...
6 players??? That's an exaggeration and what about the 20 players that couldn't wait for those selected few to leave??? Yes they walked (and not 6) because they were unhappy with playing time: The person(s) behind the letter are still on the team....Again, please inform me of what you know and I assure you I know more....Again, if you are unhappy with playing time, write a letter to the President and get the coach fired...I wouldn't want those kids on my team??? Not sure what you point is as it has already been addressed....The also lost two guys at break because the couldn't get enough aid as well....I guess I am fighting a losing battle... I guess going behind the coaches back cause you are unhappy with playing time or how you are being used in a game and getting him fired is now an admiral thing to do???? So, the only power a coach really has nowadays is ice time, so what happens when you take that away: what's the point in even having a coach...
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"So, the only power a coach really has nowadays in ice time, so what happens when you take that away: what's the point in even having a coach..."
The bottom line is the patients are running the asylum. Sadly the players have figured out they have a certain amount of power that they really shouldn't have to begin with, and they have learned to leverage that power to get what they want. It's terrible. Give the players a whistle and start letting them run practice because they apparently know it all. Players have a hard time looking at their poor record and accepting responsibility for it no matter their role on the team, especially the guys that aren't getting the playing time they think they should be getting. In their minds they couldn't possibly be bad hockey players so it must be the coach's fault entirely. Not a realistic assessment of the situation on their part but better that than to admit that maybe they aren't as great as they each think they are. Let's not forget that some schools will never do well in hockey simply because they don't support the sport like the Plattsburghs, Oswegos, and Norwiches of the world. Hard to blame a coach at schools that aren't very supportive or not supportive enough to really make a true go of it. Take the coaches at those successful and well supported programs and put them at schools like USM and they won't be any more successful either.
"So, the only power a coach really has nowadays in ice time, so what happens when you take that away: what's the point in even having a coach..."
The bottom line is the patients are running the asylum. Sadly the players have figured out they have a certain amount of power that they really shouldn't have to begin with, and they have learned to leverage that power to get what they want. It's terrible. Give the players a whistle and start letting them run practice because they apparently know it all. Players have a hard time looking at their poor record and accepting responsibility for it no matter their role on the team, especially the guys that aren't getting the playing time they think they should be getting. In their minds they couldn't possibly be bad hockey players so it must be the coach's fault entirely. Not a realistic assessment of the situation on their part but better that than to admit that maybe they aren't as great as they each think they are. Let's not forget that some schools will never do well in hockey simply because they don't support the sport like the Plattsburghs, Oswegos, and Norwiches of the world. Hard to blame a coach at schools that aren't very supportive or not supportive enough to really make a true go of it. Take the coaches at those successful and well supported programs and put them at schools like USM and they won't be any more successful either.
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A player on the team said things were getting pretty bad in the locker room and that 5 or 6 guys walked off the team at the break. You've informed us all several times that nobody knows more than you about what happened…my post was looking for you to confirm (and maybe elaborate) that Coach Beaney's bizarre mid-season dismissal was directly tied to locker room dynamics (versus just a disgruntled daddy complaining on behalf of his son). I'm not attacking your credibility, I'm not taking sides and I have no desire to debate you on how much I know. For what it is worth, I hate that his tenure ended this way.
A player on the team said things were getting pretty bad in the locker room and that 5 or 6 guys walked off the team at the break. You've informed us all several times that nobody knows more than you about what happened…my post was looking for you to confirm (and maybe elaborate) that Coach Beaney's bizarre mid-season dismissal was directly tied to locker room dynamics (versus just a disgruntled daddy complaining on behalf of his son). I'm not attacking your credibility, I'm not taking sides and I have no desire to debate you on how much I know. For what it is worth, I hate that his tenure ended this way.
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The Shannon Miller thread in the Women's section is getting a lot of play.
PSUChamps2001
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I'm not sure if Norm can find the link, but there use to be a page where it lists all the DIII teams and their NCAA appearances, one thing you will notice is there are A LOT of schools who have never made the list. To some schools its not about winning and losing, its about creating great student athletes and making them better citizens of the community. I've never had a personal dealing with Coach B, but in the times I've watched Southern Maine you always saw a disciplined and respectful hockey team, win or lose. You never hear about the "wait till you see this dirty team" like you do with others. That's a testimate to the coach, period. After 27 years and only 8 winning seasons, I don't think winning/losing was an issue, he would have been gone years ago. Since 04-05 the women's team has had 1 winning season, the men's 3. I guess their coach should be gone too. But just as was stated earlier, some schools don't put the $$ into their program like other schools, in which is fine unless they want to become elite. To some schools having a hockey team is just another way to get a few more students attracted to their school, the community something to do in the cold winter months, and let's face it college hockey even at the DIII level is just awesome. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team is. Now if the "suit and ties" expected Coach Beaney to put an NCAA contending team on the ice while handcuffing his hands year in year out with financial restriction in both financial aid, recruiting, and hockey related items (sticks, pads, ice time ect) then id ask for a mental referral on them. Plain as day this is a disgruntled player/staff issue that instead of standing up and taking a stance against the new PC world we live in, we get rid of the coach and sweep it under the rug so it looks like all is well at Southern Maine. I have no doubt hockeyfan77 knows the truth and can't/won't give out details (which always drove me nuts when it came to these things, not you hockeyfan. To those who want to send these letters and ruin someone's life, face the jury and make it public but instead the parent/student get to hide behind legal law). Now if a player was being abused (and I mean really abused, not this sissy crap people claim now days), either physically or sexually, by all means game over. But from what's been posted/written it's not even close. Is this the start of USM folding up a hockey team due to financial reasons and was their way to get Beaney "out"? All I know is the man invested his life and family to USM and the community, and unless there is a CRIME committed, shame on the school for taking the rug right out from under him and his family over a whiny little brat and his family. I love how we can point to Beaney, but now the kids who left school/remain on the team will hide forever. Those are the ones I'd love to get a "mamma's boy" chant going for, then again the NCAA doesn't like that now days either....
I'm not sure if Norm can find the link, but there use to be a page where it lists all the DIII teams and their NCAA appearances, one thing you will notice is there are A LOT of schools who have never made the list. To some schools its not about winning and losing, its about creating great student athletes and making them better citizens of the community. I've never had a personal dealing with Coach B, but in the times I've watched Southern Maine you always saw a disciplined and respectful hockey team, win or lose. You never hear about the "wait till you see this dirty team" like you do with others. That's a testimate to the coach, period. After 27 years and only 8 winning seasons, I don't think winning/losing was an issue, he would have been gone years ago. Since 04-05 the women's team has had 1 winning season, the men's 3. I guess their coach should be gone too. But just as was stated earlier, some schools don't put the $$ into their program like other schools, in which is fine unless they want to become elite. To some schools having a hockey team is just another way to get a few more students attracted to their school, the community something to do in the cold winter months, and let's face it college hockey even at the DIII level is just awesome. It doesn't matter how good or bad your team is. Now if the "suit and ties" expected Coach Beaney to put an NCAA contending team on the ice while handcuffing his hands year in year out with financial restriction in both financial aid, recruiting, and hockey related items (sticks, pads, ice time ect) then id ask for a mental referral on them. Plain as day this is a disgruntled player/staff issue that instead of standing up and taking a stance against the new PC world we live in, we get rid of the coach and sweep it under the rug so it looks like all is well at Southern Maine. I have no doubt hockeyfan77 knows the truth and can't/won't give out details (which always drove me nuts when it came to these things, not you hockeyfan. To those who want to send these letters and ruin someone's life, face the jury and make it public but instead the parent/student get to hide behind legal law). Now if a player was being abused (and I mean really abused, not this sissy crap people claim now days), either physically or sexually, by all means game over. But from what's been posted/written it's not even close. Is this the start of USM folding up a hockey team due to financial reasons and was their way to get Beaney "out"? All I know is the man invested his life and family to USM and the community, and unless there is a CRIME committed, shame on the school for taking the rug right out from under him and his family over a whiny little brat and his family. I love how we can point to Beaney, but now the kids who left school/remain on the team will hide forever. Those are the ones I'd love to get a "mamma's boy" chant going for, then again the NCAA doesn't like that now days either....
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A not so long time ago in a rink in Gorham.....
My son was playing goal for Salem State in the annual game vs. USM. During the game, he got tripped by his own defenseman and sustained a(nother) concussion when his head hit the ice.
After the game, he was taken to the ER for an evaluation. While there, Coach Beaney stopped in to make sure Redlight was OK (he was, but his season was finished).
I've never forgotten that act of class and kindness by Coach Beaney. And I still owe him a beer for it. Unlike a member of another thread, I intend to pay it.
A not so long time ago in a rink in Gorham.....
My son was playing goal for Salem State in the annual game vs. USM. During the game, he got tripped by his own defenseman and sustained a(nother) concussion when his head hit the ice.
After the game, he was taken to the ER for an evaluation. While there, Coach Beaney stopped in to make sure Redlight was OK (he was, but his season was finished).
I've never forgotten that act of class and kindness by Coach Beaney. And I still owe him a beer for it. Unlike a member of another thread, I intend to pay it.
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Now that truly is a classy guy. I hope you'll be able to buy him that well deserved beer.
Now that truly is a classy guy. I hope you'll be able to buy him that well deserved beer.
norm1909
Larry Normandin
norm1909
Larry Normandin
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We live in a time of "helicopter parents." You would be surprised(or not) at the number of time I had parents call to complain about how "little Johnny" got a bad grade on a statistics test. I had parents threaten to go over my head when I refused to give the student a re-take on an exam that the student got a low grade on.
If this kind of whining was the reason that Beaney was let go in the middle of the season it is very sad.
We live in a time of "helicopter parents." You would be surprised(or not) at the number of time I had parents call to complain about how "little Johnny" got a bad grade on a statistics test. I had parents threaten to go over my head when I refused to give the student a re-take on an exam that the student got a low grade on.
If this kind of whining was the reason that Beaney was let go in the middle of the season it is very sad.
PSUChamps2001
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but "little Johnny" studied for hours and hours for your test. This was after he told us he spent all day at the local food pantry serving meals to the homeless and saved Susies kitten from a burning building. "Little Johnny" is our little angel, he does no wrong! It's your fault Prof why he is failing!....
sound about right Prof?
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Pretty close - actually he spent most of his time studying at the Rustic and the Knotty Shamrock...(if he was over age 21)
Pretty close - actually he spent most of his time studying at the Rustic and the Knotty Shamrock...(if he was over age 21)
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Ah yes that new library he told his parents ALL about. ..