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climate change times are a changin'

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Besides, you know what is going to **** over our world's food supply most in the next 100 years? Climate change.

Well, let's think about where we get the best return on our money. Set aside controversy over the fact that throughout most of history we have had ongoing climate change driven by a combination of solar activity and volcanic activity. We are talking about spending trillions of dollars on climate change mitigation, and also depressing living standards for much of the world's population, for a relatively modest result. It seems to me we would get a far better return on the same dollars by spending the money to ameliorate the effects of climate change rather than try to stop it from happening. One super-major volcanic eruption, one mega-solar flare, and poof, the money's been wasted; compared to 100% certain return on our dollars.

Suppose you live in a house on the seashore: you could spend millions raising the foundation and building a seawall, or you could move to higher ground. How much more money would be left over after your move in the latter scenario compared to the former?


Higher CO[SUB]2[/SUB] levels and a warmer climate are actually better for plant life; there is ample geologic evidence to prove that along with current biological evidence as well.


Your other point is valid though. Neither political party in the US will actually help the poor achieve better lives. Both political parties in the US are tools of big-money interests.



The question that no one wants to discuss is not "whether" climate change is happening, but rather what is the most effective response to it? Nothing I've seen or read indicates that any of the proposals to "do something" about it directly will be very effective (how many trillions for a 2[SUP]o[/SUP] difference 50 years from now?? what's the point other than to make ourselves feel good). It's a hard prospect to face, but the more I read and listen and think, the more it seems to me that if we truly do care about being effective, then we gravitate toward mitigation. Besides, from a practical standpoint, the latter will also have far greater political support and far less controversy as well (at least among non-fanatical reasonable people who distrust the zealots on both sides).
 
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You know the best return on money? The one that doesn't result in the entire human race being ****ed right in the rear with our own foot? Sure we could have a super volcano or meteorite, but that's about the dumbest reason I've seen to not do something. Why save for retirement? Why avoid sharing needles? Why avoid having sex with as many hookers as you can? Why teach your kids good manners? Why look both ways when you cross the street. The argument you are making is that because the result is not proximate to your lifespan, it's not worth doing anything. That's terrifically and terrifyingly selfish.

Also, you didn't just use the CO2 and warm weather are good for plant life argument. That's even more myopic and narrowsighted (I don't care if that's not a word) than the WSJ article. Texas and California are experiencing droughts unlike anything we've ever seen. We are seeing flooding and storms stronger than ever. Wildfires are using the dry weather to spread faster only exasperating the problem.

I'd spend every GD cent this country has if it meant the preservation of this planet. The only planet we know in the entire universe that holds life. The only place we could reach in our lifetimes that can support a permanent population of people.

The other problem with your argument is that money disappears to the ether when spent on climate change. And that's exactly what you are doing. The science and technology that would come out of an Apollo-like program to reduce emissions and stop this, eventual, runaway greenhouse effect from becoming irreversible would rival any of the major super-projects. Instead of an engine using a ludicrously low amount of the energy it could from a chemical reaction, why not increase that so we could minimize the size of the engine and make it lighter weight? Why not reduce the waste in transmission of electricity and make it cheap to run everywhere?

Your arguments are baffling and shortsighted. The science is settled. Period. Only a moron, at this point, could argue. Everything we know today points to a very unfortunate future within the next 100-250 years. If that is proven false, you can be ****ed sure it would be supported by there scientific community.

It's like a mass extinction meteor coming in from 100 years out. All of our models based on the information we know say it's going to pass within 30 miles of the earth. It could still miss us or we could do something about it in the event that it permafucs the entire planet.
 
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To be blunt, you know what is worse than a lower standard of living?
Being goddam dead
 
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If you believe in eternal life then time to shed your corporeal being and stop using up our precious resources. Do the honorable thing and move on already...
 
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Want dead?

The sun can (will?) do it to us soon enough.

All it has to do is "pass gas" at us once (Carrington event) or decide it's time for another nap (Maunder minimum).

But will one of earth's supervolcanoes (e.g. Yellowstone) beat ol' Sol to the punch.


The beauty of any of those scenarios? The worst effects on mankind will be man-against-man. Imagine a Carrington event and no US power grid for six months*. Imagine the wars for food in a world where either (a) the growing season shrinks by 20-40% everywhere because of the Maunder cold or (b) there is a foot of ash over most of the primary agricultural areas of the US.


*Most folks can't handle the power out for six minutes much less six months.
 
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Plenty of ways to die without killing yourself.

Time for the Life Eternals to put up or shut up. You want to be one with God get it over with so we dont have to suffer for your ridiculousness.
Typical display of tolerance from the left. :p
 
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Typical display of tolerance from the left. :p

I am just letting the Martyrs do their job and meet their maker faster which they should be grateful for. ;)

Plenty of religions ban medicine or whatever...I say The Life Eternals should all adopt that. :D
 
How do know it's not gods will to see a dr.?

I guess god favors modern humans more and more.
I mean god obviously wanted people to get paralyzed from Polio until he wanted someone to discover a vaccine. And if a doctor screws up and someone dies, is that gods will(aka God is a murderer) - it was 'their time'. If it's all up to the big bearded white dude in the sky, why bother to go to the doctor if your fate is determined a priori?
 
I am just letting the Martyrs do their job and meet their maker faster which they should be grateful for. ;)

Plenty of religions ban medicine or whatever...I say The Life Eternals should all adopt that. :D


If the afterlife is so great why do people go through such trouble to delay it?

Time to accept there is no literal afterlife, but by living a good life you can make positive contributions that outlive you.
 
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P'shaw. They're still pumping oil by the tanker load. This little setback is just a fly on big oil's arse.

If/when prices go back up, there will be a market for the tar sands oil. They'll just find a different way of exporting it.
 
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