climate change times are a changin'

[unofan]

Good point.

Though with the WSJ, whenever money is at stake (i.e., the business section), they are quite hard-headed and non-ideological. It is only in their editorials that they are a clone of The Economist

I don't think you've read the Economist lately. Then again, that's more proof that right wing Europe would be left wing America.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't think you've read the Economist ever. Then again, that's more proof that right wing Europe would be left wing America.

Fixed your post. The Economist is "conservative" in the sense that it is a holdover of 19th century European "classical liberalism." Or to put it another way, The Economist is conservatism with a brain, something not seen in the US since Buckley retired.

 

[unofan]

Fixed your post. The Economist is "conservative" in the sense that it is a holdover of 19th century European "classical liberalism." Or to put it another way, The Economist is conservatism with a brain, something not seen in the US since Buckley retired.

I'm a subscriber, so you don't need to explain it to me.

(I also subscribe to the Sunday NYT - so we'll let Fishy sort that out in his head).

 

[Kepler]

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(I also subscribe to the Sunday NYT - so we'll let Fishy sort that out in his head).

I'd be willing to bet most American conservatives have never heard of The Economist. They use big words, and they talk about a mythical world outside our borders.

 

[huskyfan]

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I'd be willing to bet most American conservatives have never heard of The Economist. They use big words, and they talk about a mythical world outside our borders.

and any serious conservative I know, those who have brains and wish to discuss issues and not name call, do read The Economist.

 

[Kepler]

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and any serious conservative I know, those who have brains and wish to discuss issues and not name call, do read The Economist.

It must make them pretty angry, since it's spent the last 10 years as a rearguard action scolding the GOP for sacrificing genuine conservatism on the altar of herpa-derpdom.

 

[FreshFish]

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It must make them pretty angry, since it's spent the last 10 years as a rearguard action scolding the GOP for sacrificing genuine conservatism on the altar of herpa-derpdom.

There have been so many different people at so many different times remind you that conservative <> GOP that your continued insistence on conflating the two is deliberate and willful blindness.

Unless you are merely playing Three Billy Goats Gruff with us again.

 

[geezer]

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There have been so many different people at so many different times remind you that conservative <> GOP that your continued insistence on conflating the two is deliberate and willful blindness.

Unless you are merely playing Three Billy Goats Gruff with us again.

I thought the valid point Kepler made was that conservatives are sad because they don't have a party that upholds their values. As in "conservationist" conservatives.

 

[Kepler]

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There have been so many different people at so many different times remind you that conservative <> GOP that your continued insistence on conflating the two is deliberate and willful blindness.

If you paid half as much attention to other posts as you do to cutting and pasting from Red State and NRO, you'd know that I and other people continually bend over backwards not only not to conflate them, but to point out all the ways America's self-described "conservatives" fail every test of genuine conservatism.

I'm surprised to find that you acknowledge the difference, however, given that you dutifully shill literally every talking point from the JPod / Kristol / Malkin mimeograph machine all the while cross-dressing as the type of Burkean conservative who would not give those frauds the time of day.

 

[Kepler]

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I thought the valid point Kepler made was that conservatives are sad because they don't have a party that upholds their values. As in "conservationist" conservatives.

If Fish were intellectually honest and an actual conservative he'd get that. As he is neither, he's up to the Breitbart game again.

There are small 'c' conservatives all over the country with no party to represent them. Some of them hold their nose and pull the lever for 'R' the way small 'l' liberals do for 'D.' I'll bet most of them are so turned off by the criminals who have appropriated their identity that they've withdrawn from active political life, which is why we don't hear from more of them.

 

[geezer]

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If Fish were intellectually honest and an actual conservative he'd get that. As he is neither, he's up to the Breitbart game again.

There are small 'c' conservatives all over the country with no party to represent them. Some of them hold their nose and pull the lever for 'R' the way small 'l' liberals do for 'D.' I'll bet most of them are so turned off by the criminals who have appropriated their identity that they've withdrawn from active political life, which is why we don't hear from more of them.

This is the point I'm getting too. The blind party loyalty really turns me off, to a lot of my friends it seems that political personalities are more important than policies and the actual effects thereof.

 

[Kepler]

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This is the point I'm getting too. The blind party loyalty really turns me off, to a lot of my friends it seems that political personalities are more important than policies and the actual effects thereof.

"Great minds discuss ideas, mediocre minds discuss events, small minds discuss personalities." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

[FreshFish]

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I thought the valid point Kepler made was that conservatives are sad because they don't have a party that upholds their values. As in "conservationist" conservatives.

If that's what he meant, then I mis-read his post and would agree with him. His trolling has become so habitual that the 2% of the time he actually is thoughtful sometimes gets overlooked.

Whenever I do those "answer a bunch of questions and we'll tell you who you agree with" surveys, my highest score is always with the Green Party, followed by Libertarian. Neither of those parties will ever have much widespread following in the US. Lunatic fringe elements, one-trick ponies as it were.

The major political parties today represent the interests of their donors, not their voters, and crony capitalism is the # 1 priority of both of them.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, on one side we have trial attorneys, government employee unions, and so-called 'green' energy rent-seekers looking for permanent subsidies!

On the other side we have defense contractors, manufacturers, and service employers!"

I'd get about as much fun playing Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robot.

 

[theprofromdover]

His trolling has become so habitual that the 2% of the time he actually is thoughtful sometimes gets overlooked.

So,it's Kepler's fault that you're a knee-jerk reactionary?

 

[huskyfan]

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interesting read:

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/03/20/why-i-am-climate-change-skeptic

I'll go take cover now.

 

[Priceless]

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From our favorite state

 

[Kepler]

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Interesting.

Looking somewhat like a giant reed gently swaying in the wind, the new Vortex bladeless wind-driven generator prototype produces electricity with very few moving parts, on a very small footprint, and in almost complete silence. Designed to reduce the visual and aural impact of traditional spinning-blade turbines, this new device takes advantage of the power contained in swirling vortices of air.

A little more information.

 

[Kepler]

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Remember when we compared the oil companies' astro-turfing of climate denial to the tobacco companies' astro-turfing of cancer denial? Yeah, about that...

 

[geezer]

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Remember when we compared the oil companies' astro-turfing of climate denial to the tobacco companies' astro-turfing of cancer denial? Yeah, about that...

This article lost all credibility pretty early: "...researchers that promoted climate denial..."
I have yet to meet or hear of anyone who would "deny climate." It's a little piece of suggestive rhetoric along the lines of "anti-choice" and "homophobic" that writers who don't have actual information to share use to attempt to force an emotional response.
(I'm not saying Exxon isn't 100% motivated by profit and will clearly lie early and often to get more. I'm saying this writer did a terrible job of presenting that information)

 

[Kepler]

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This article lost all credibility pretty early: "...researchers that promoted climate denial..."
I have yet to meet or hear of anyone who would "deny climate."

"Climate denial" is very common shorthand for "denial of the hypothesis that climate change is man-made." While writers do sometimes employ the sort of editorial dirty tricks you allude to to reinforce their points (like, for example, characterizing "homophobic" as a rhetorical trick rather than an actual, observable bigotry), this is not at all an instance of that.