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Climate Change 3: Whatever you do don't call it a twatwaffle

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Just because piplelines exist doesn’t mean we should spend billions to allow people to live where it’s really not supportive.

valleys that flood nearly every year? Perhaps we shouldn’t rebuild shit structures constantly. Don’t pipe in water to farm alfalfa in the desert

adaptation is different than mitigation. I have the same opinion as scientists like Dr Foley and Mann- spending billions on technology on things like carbon capture (or other things to turn an area into something it’s not, like alfalfa farms in desert) isn’t what we should be doing. There are more impactful things we can do, people just don’t like to hear it.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Just because piplelines exist doesn’t mean we should spend billions to allow people to live where it’s really not supportive.

valleys that flood nearly every year? Perhaps we shouldn’t rebuild **** structures constantly. Don’t pipe in water to farm alfalfa in the desert

adaptation is different than mitigation. I have the same opinion as scientists like Dr Foley and Mann- spending billions on technology on things like carbon capture (or other things to turn an area into something it’s not, like alfalfa farms in desert) isn’t what we should be doing. There are more impactful things we can do, people just don’t like to hear it.
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In order to do what you want to do, people would have to adapt and we are too lazy or set in our ways. Insurance companies are already moving away from certain areas in the country as they can no longer afford the flooding, wind damage etc. I agree growing alfalfa in the desert isn’t a great use of potable water. Water will become more and more valuable as time goes on.
 
The laziness is why I’m just done. We’ve terraformed many parts of earth to be something other than nature intended. Nature will always win.

water is going to turn into an ugly battle. Here the upper Midwest will hold most of it. I think the big water war will almost certainly start when china dams the Indus and cuts off the punjab breadbasket, starving millions and millions
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
I think the big water war will almost certainly start when china dams the Indus and cuts off the punjab breadbasket, starving millions and millions
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Humanity is a fight between 2 neighboring population centers:

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bronconick said:
This is going to be fun.


Laurie Garrett

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The Northern Atlantic Ocean is heating up so rapidly that it is literally, nearly off the charts. Pay heed. This is well beyond record-breaking.

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Could be in our favor if the warming of the North Atlantic SST’s continue unabated as could force catastrophic melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet with the cold dense glacial meltwater disrupting the AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation) and cooling the North Atlantic region, according to some models. In related fashion, drainage of large glacial lakes in south-central Canada into the North Atlantic may have triggered the Younger Dryas cold interval 12,900 years ago in which boreal forests, which had replaced tundra following the melting of the great Northern Hemispheric ice sheets, quickly returned to tundra (Dryas is the family name for the Arctic poppy) and small ice caps reformed over Scandinavia, the British Isles, and the Maritimes. Also could save the ski industry.
 
Snively65 said:
Could be in our favor if the warming of the North Atlantic SST’s continue unabated as could force catastrophic melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet with the cold dense glacial meltwater disrupting the AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation) and cooling the North Atlantic region, according to some models. In related fashion, drainage of large glacial lakes in south-central Canada into the North Atlantic may have triggered the Younger Dryas cold interval 12,900 years ago in which boreal forests, which had replaced tundra following the melting of the great Northern Hemispheric ice sheets, quickly returned to tundra (Dryas is the family name for the Arctic poppy) and small ice caps reformed over Scandinavia, the British Isles, and the Maritimes. Also could save the ski industry.
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Except those triggered cold periods because they were not accompanied by pumping all this carbon into the atmosphere.
 
Kepler said:
Except those triggered cold periods because they were not accompanied by pumping all this carbon into the atmosphere.
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But perhaps a similar event would at least slow the warming trend long enough for smarter humans to outlive the derps and figure out a solution?

But if we have to rely on such an event occurring, we're probably already screwed.
 
Fires got worse. Now spread over a huge swath of NW Canada. Before it was pretty much 3-5 large fires. Now it's... like 20

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Here's the shortwave IR. The black spots are typically fire signatures:
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
But perhaps a similar event would at least slow the warming trend long enough for smarter humans to outlive the derps and figure out a solution?

But if we have to rely on such an event occurring, we're probably already screwed.
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Yes, that is what I am thinking, any kind of offsetting of the carbon that we are dumping into the atmosphere might buy us some time.
 
Snively65 said:
Yes, that is what I am thinking, any kind of offsetting of the carbon that we are dumping into the atmosphere might buy us some time.
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There's an extremely exciting project I've been invited to work on at work related to this. Not sure if it's going to go anywhere because of funding, but the promise is quite incredible. Which is all I can say.
 
There's your canary in the coal mine. Dismissing climate change as "socialist nonsense" works right up until nothing gets insured in Florida.
 
The only problem I have with this is that when a major hurricane wipes out a swath of Florida, there is gonna be a MAJOR temper-tantrum looking for a government bailout...

That's a good way to lose a good chunk of blue votes. (Can we officially write off FL from Congress and the EC?)
 
bronconick said:
There's your canary in the coal mine. Dismissing climate change as "socialist nonsense" works right up until nothing gets insured in Florida.
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Oh no, it will work well beyond that. Weeeeeell beyond. It's going to take them literally drowning and with their last breath they'll still probably scream "librul hoax". The vast vast majority will Ashli Babbit themselves.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Oh no, it will work well beyond that. Weeeeeell beyond. It's going to take them literally drowning and with their last breath they'll still probably scream "librul hoax". The vast vast majority will Ashli Babbit themselves.
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They'll blame the flooding on us.
 
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