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Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

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ScoobyDoo said:
He's doing a fantastic job painting the Democrats and the Wold the bad guys. Getting plenty of claps and cheers. Also bragged that we have a brand new coal mine opening up in the United States.
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You're basically cheering for the other team to score more goals than you.
 
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As if Frauddy has ever seriously listened to, or remotely considered, an opposing opinion. He's so far in the tank he can't see the forest for the white birches.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/opinion/trump-paris-climate-accord.html?_r=0

People say, if all you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail. We should be so lucky. President Trump has a hammer, but all he’ll use it for is to smash things that others have built, as the world looks on in wonder and in fear. The latest, most troubling example is his decision to obliterate the Paris climate accord: After nearly 200 years of scientific inquiry and over 20 years of patient diplomacy that united every nation save Syria and Nicaragua, we had this afternoon’s big game-show Rose Garden reveal: Count us out.

It’s a stupid and reckless decision — our nation’s dumbest act since launching the war in Iraq. But it’s not stupid and reckless in the normal way. Instead, it amounts to a thorough repudiation of two of the civilizing forces on our planet: diplomacy and science. It undercuts our civilization’s chances of surviving global warming, but it also undercuts our civilization itself, since that civilization rests in large measure on those two forces.

And so we will resist. As the federal government reneges on its commitments, the rest of us will double down on ours. Already cities and states are committing to 100 percent renewable energy. Atlanta was the latest to take the step. We will make sure that every leader who hesitates and waffles on climate will be seen as another Donald Trump, and we will make sure that history will judge that name with the contempt it deserves. Not just because he didn’t take climate change seriously, but also because he didn’t take civilization seriously.

Bill McKibben is a founder of 350.org and teaches environmental studies at Middlebury College.
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I like science and engineering. I want to live in a country that does too. I don't and that makes me sad. At least some of the people I live with in this country agree with me.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
...Also bragged that we have a brand new coal mine opening up in the United States.
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Here's the issue I have with announcements like this, because I see this same "corporate speak" in my industry a lot.

The new mine opening in Western PA is bragging of "creating 70 jobs." Are these really 70 new employees or is it really just 70 employees who were working in other mines in the area for the same company being transferred over to the new facility?

In the building and highway construction industry, the jobs makers are always bragging about how these big infrastructure projects will "create xx number of jobs." No, the company who wins the work was still going to employee those people, just not at that project until they won it. There are natural ebbs and flows to the work,

So of those "70 jobs," there is likely only 20 or so actual new positions being created. If that.
 
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Kepler said:
Our country is now in the hands of morons.
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Yep. And they're not worth engaging in debate. We need to convince Democrats and people open to voting for Democrats to get off the couch and pull the level. We do not need to waste time convincing idiots that God isn't going to solve the Climate problem.
 
Kepler said:
Our country is now in the hands of morons.
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I'm embarrassed to be a Christian with these type of people in control. God* gave us the ability to think things over and the strength to make these decisions; he doesn't "take over" for us when we get lazy. (Contrary to the kitschy "Footprints" saying that was popular in the 90's or Carrie Underwood's Billboard Hot 100 hit from 2005.)

Because if God is taking over the climate now, was he just sleeping through the early industrial era when most major cities resembled Beijing? Speaking of Being, did the same God only want to clean Bejing's air during the Olympics in 2008 then said "Bah, good enough, Buddah can maintain it," after the closing ceremonies?


*Whoever your recognized spiritual leader is: Native Spirit Animals, God, Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, Buddah, Flying Spaghetti Monster, a piece of burnt toast...
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yep. And they're not worth engaging in debate. We need to convince Democrats and people open to voting for Democrats to get off the couch and pull the level. We do not need to waste time convincing idiots that God isn't going to solve the Climate problem.
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Obviously. I don't think anybody is suggesting otherwise. What I've seen mentioned here in counterpoint is we should be politically correct in public and not call the morons "morons." That's fine advice. Don't give the other team bulletin board material.

The far right doesn't have two brain cells to rub together, there is no way to appeal to them via argument. We might look into spreading a little good old-fashioned class hatred, though. Those guys may hate the gays and the Muzzies and the brownies, but they didn't foreclose on their home and kill their health care. The type of man who gets excited about murdering immigrants probably also breaks out in a rash when you talk about stringing up the banksters. That is useful for maybe peeling off 5% of them. Every little bit helps.
 
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Kepler said:
Obviously. I don't think anybody is suggesting otherwise. What I've seen mentioned here in counterpoint is we should be politically correct in public and not call the morons "morons." That's fine advice. Don't give the other team bulletin board material.

The far right doesn't have two brain cells to rub together, there is no way to appeal to them via argument. We might look into spreading a little good old-fashioned class hatred, though. Those guys may hate the gays and the Muzzies and the brownies, but they didn't foreclose on their home and kill their health care. The type of man who gets excited about murdering immigrants probably also breaks out in a rash when you talk about stringing up the banksters. That is useful for maybe peeling off 5% of them. Every little bit helps.
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Maybe we should be silent but I think some good old fashioned shunning is in order.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Maybe we should be silent but I think some good old fashioned shunning is in order.
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Well, f-ck, nobody's saying you have to have Trumpies in your home. They're boring, their daughters have meth mouth, and they're lazy and stupid so they don't even make good servants.

They self-segregate anyway. Just stay away from racetracks, white Baptist churches, and trailer parks.
 
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Santorum gets fact checked almost as badly Trump. The man couldnt find the truth if it "Santorumed" all over him.

BTW if your solution involves the word "God" then your opinion is null and void in the real world. You can have as much faith as you like, when you put others at risk because your God is just oh so special and fixes everything you are a waste of carbon.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
This countries education system sucks.
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I so hope that's a typo...

But in the case of Santorum, educators can fix ignorance, not stupidity. Having seen a fair amount of him over the years, he's just rockhead stupid. It has nothing to do in his case with lack of access to facts. He just lacks the ability to ingest them.

A lima bean in a science classroom still doesn't understand the Krebs Cycle.
 
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Kepler said:
Well, f-ck, nobody's saying you have to have Trumpies in your home. They're boring, their daughters have meth mouth, and they're lazy and stupid so they don't even make good servants.

They self-segregate anyway. Just stay away from racetracks, white Baptist churches, and trailer parks.
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Oy. This is is why Democrats are 'elitist' in rural minds.
 
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**** you trump. He doesn't give a **** because he is a couple of years away from a heart attack anyway.
 
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