Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

[Handyman]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

That's a fantastic idea.

They are doing similar things in parts of Africa and it is working like gangbusters.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

They are doing similar things in parts of Africa and it is working like gangbusters.

Yeah, I read about what they're doing in Africa. It's fantastic.

We are doing nothing.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I dont get it...why do they care so much that California wants to fix the environment? It has nothing to do with them. Plus I am not sure any court would agree with them...

Because you're trying to approach this story with an adult mindset. Think about it from the point of view of a 3-year-old. Sometimes it's not getting what you want, it's about other people not getting what they want. It's just pettiness at this point. They act like this is a zero-sum game when it's the opposite.

Republicans are toddlers. It's just that simple.

 

[burd]

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Because you're trying to approach this story with an adult mindset. Think about it from the point of view of a 3-year-old. Sometimes it's not getting what you want, it's about other people not getting what they want. It's just pettiness at this point. They act like this is a zero-sum game when it's the opposite.

Your fellow 'sotan said it:

But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get [f c ed].

 

[Handyman]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Because you're trying to approach this story with an adult mindset. Think about it from the point of view of a 3-year-old. Sometimes it's not getting what you want, it's about other people not getting what they want. It's just pettiness at this point. They act like this is a zero-sum game when it's the opposite.

Republicans are toddlers. It's just that simple.

I understand that i am just thinking out loud. Its like when I ask why they keep lying about all the crap they pull...I know why I just have to ask because my mind hurts thinking about it

 

[BassAle]

Yeah, I read about what they're doing in Africa. It's fantastic.

We are doing nothing.

Regenerative agriculture is gaining adoption in the US, being promoted by the clothing company Patagonia of all people. They’re working with farmers to get them certified in the practice, and they’re rolling out there own sustainable food lines that make use of crops grown with regenerative agriculture

It needs to become more than a niche

 

[Handyman]

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Regenerative agriculture is gaining adoption in the US, being promoted by the clothing company Patagonia of all people. They’re working with farmers to get them certified in the practice, and they’re rolling out there own sustainable food lines that make use of crops grown with regenerative agriculture

It needs to become more than a niche

What I like the most about what they are doing in Africa is that they arent doing the lazy move just planting whatever will grow and hope it works. They are finding the species that actually grow there and cultivating it. Seems like an obvious thing to do but still.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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**** this guy and **** everyone who votes for this party

“ The President said US involvement in the plans to tackle climate change, agreed by 195 countries, would "punish the American people".

It’s not the pullout that makes me mad because that’s been known. It’s the quote about hurting Americans

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50165596

 

[burd]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

**** this guy and **** everyone who votes for this party

“ The President said US involvement in the plans to tackle climate change, agreed by 195 countries, would "punish the American people".

It’s not the pullout that makes me mad because that’s been known. It’s the quote about hurting Americans

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50165596

Dump will be the first and only person to have a place reserved in 8 of 9 circles. He'll be on rotation, with the 4th as his primary residence.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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It’s going to get worse. Currently reading The Uninhabitable Planet, life after warming. It’s a tough read.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the California fires and blackouts were happening on the East Coast, this would a much, much bigger national story about how dangerously far, perhaps irreversibly in some places, climate change has come. <a href="https://t.co/VRxvFPKmsc">https://t.co/VRxvFPKmsc</a></p>— Lawrence Glickman (@LarryGlickman) <a href="https://twitter.com/LarryGlickman/status/1188784708945174528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[burd]

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It’s going to get worse. Currently reading The Uninhabitable Planet, life after warming. It’s a tough read.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the California fires and blackouts were happening on the East Coast, this would a much, much bigger national story about how dangerously far, perhaps irreversibly in some places, climate change has come. <a href="https://t.co/VRxvFPKmsc">https://t.co/VRxvFPKmsc</a></p>— Lawrence Glickman (@LarryGlickman) <a href="https://twitter.com/LarryGlickman/status/1188784708945174528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Read that this summer. Everyone should be encouraged to read it.

I like the way he separately addresses the major means of harm--rising oceans, floods, drought, storms, economic impact, etc.-- then also goes to to show how they will work together to hasten the process. It's tough, as you say, and sobering, and some people will have a hard time not pushing back. I don't like "must read" advice, but that book is close, given the importance of the topic.

 

[Kepler]

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Because if there's anybody who is ignored by the media in this country it's the people of Los Angeles and San Francisco.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Read that this summer. Everyone should be encouraged to read it.

I like the way he separately addresses the major means of harm--rising oceans, floods, drought, storms, economic impact, etc.-- then also goes to to show how they will work together to hasten the process. It's tough, as you say, and sobering, and some people will have a hard time not pushing back. I don't like "must read" advice, but that book is close, given the importance of the topic.

I have Drawdown to read next. The Water is Coming is after that.

Agreed, book is great and everyone should read

 

[ticapnews]

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This all could have been prevented if people had just raked...

 

[Handyman]

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Because if there's anybody who is ignored by the media in this country it's the people of Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Yeah...I found that to be a ridiculous assertion.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

I had a remarkably stupid idea driving to work today. I would like anybody with more of an understanding of chemistry (read: everyone else on the Cafe) to explain it.

The problem with fossil fuels is when you burn them it releases carbon into the atmosphere. So what is the technological problem with designing systems which bind the freed carbon on its exit from combustion so it never enters the atmosphere? Is this one of those conservation laws where it takes more energy to bind the carbon atoms together than is released by the combustion so you wind up with a net energy loss situation?

Although... even were that true, if the result was ending climate change wouldn't that be worth decreasing the energy efficiency of burning fossil fuels by 51%? Or 99%? Since at that point you no longer need to worry at all about carbon emissions and you can literally burn all the carbon you want without having to worry about climate effects? (You still have terrible environmental effects from extraction and transportation but at least those are not planetary).

Anyway, right now we threaten the energy companies with the end of their industry which is why they will literally do anything, including killing us all, to fight us. But what if instead we just made it really, really inefficient and thus expensive. Further, what if we even paid that additional overhead and didn't stick them with it? I assume all the most brilliant chemists and geologists and chemical engineers are all working for Exxon for $500k a year. It would be nice to have them on our side.

Don't get me wrong, we can still smash capitalism later, but in the present crisis would this be a practical way to stop them from reducing the planet to a blow-torched marshmallow?

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

I had a remarkably stupid idea driving to work today. I would like anybody with more of an understanding of chemistry (read: everyone else on the Cafe) to explain it.

The problem with fossil fuels is when you burn them it releases carbon into the atmosphere. So what is the technological problem with designing systems which bind the freed carbon on its exit from combustion so it never enters the atmosphere? Is this one of those conservation laws where it takes more energy to bind the carbon atoms together than is released by the combustion so you wind up with a net energy loss situation?

Although... even were that true, if the result was ending climate change wouldn't that be worth decreasing the energy efficiency of burning fossil fuels by 51%? Or 99%? Since at that point you no longer need to worry at all about carbon emissions and you can literally burn all the carbon you want without having to worry about climate effects? (You still have terrible environmental effects from extraction and transportation but at least those are not planetary).

Anyway, right now we threaten the energy companies with the end of their industry which is why they will literally do anything, including killing us all, to fight us. But what if instead we just made it really, really inefficient and thus expensive. Further, what if we even paid that additional overhead and didn't stick them with it? I assume all the most brilliant chemists and geologists and chemical engineers are all working for Exxon for $500k a year. It would be nice to have them on our side.

Don't get me wrong, we can still smash capitalism later, but in the present crisis would this be a practical way to stop them from reducing the planet to a blow-torched marshmallow?

Like a catalytic converter?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Because CO2 is incredibly unreactive. It's about as low of energy as you can get in terms of a molecule. There's a reason it's the primary combustion product with water. Even coming out of plasma incinerators, you're going to mostly get CO2 from the carbon-based molecules. As they react, they usually form the most stable molecules possible. CO2 is that molecule. It's used as an inerting agent in many processes because it's so unreactive. To get it to react with something, you need seriously high temperatures.

It's very "energy expensive" to find ways to bind it. Ways that are "energy inexpensive" to capture it often come with capital costs (be it additional safety systems, expensive catalysts, or complicated processes).

Honestly, the most efficient way at capturing carbon is trees and plantlife. Synthetic photosynthesis is a holy grail because it has promises of being able to convert CO2 to more complex, stable, and non-GHG molecule. Plant trees, cut them down, store them, and plant more. The problem is that's very slow.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Like a catalytic converter?

Those are primarily targeted at making sure carbon monoxide and SOX/NOX molecules are properly handled. Also, very expensive.

 

[ticapnews]

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Imagine if trees did something useful, like give off free wi-fi signals. Instead all they do is capture carbon and give us the oxygen we need to survive. Such a waste.