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Canadian College into NCAA Div 2

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joecct said:
SFU won't have Title IX either, but being in Canada, they probably have a ton more equality regs to comply with.

If one of the Canadian schools takes the NCAA to court (or vice versa), where do they go?
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True, they won't have to deal with Title IX itself per say from the US goverment, but just to compete in a US conference under jurististiction of an association thats US based, they'll be more or less complying with it, even thought they don't technecially have to comply with Title IX.

as for a Canadian university taking the NCAA to court, somebody would need to go find a lawyer for that one.
 
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Posted this over @ the D-II/III forum

Membership panel confirms policies for Canadian applicants

Jul 13, 2009 9:22:32 AM
By Gary Brown
The NCAA News

In addition to determining the status of institutions progressing through the membership process, the Division II Membership Committee approved a policy requiring Canadian institutions applying for Division II membership to follow NCAA rules in all varsity sports, even those for which an NCAA championship is not offered.

The issue pertains primarily to ice hockey, for which Division II does not offer a championship but which many Canadian institutions sponsor. Current NCAA legislation (Constitution 3.2.4.4) applies NCAA bylaws and other legislation to any sport the institution sponsors as “varsity.”

At least one Canadian school considering NCAA membership has asked whether its men’s ice hockey program would be subject to NCAA requirements even though there isn’t a Division II championship and there currently is no opportunity for a Canadian institution to sponsor a sport at the NCAA Division I level.

The Membership Committee reviewed the matter but eventually agreed that any sport classified as varsity must meet the rules and regulations of that division regardless of whether that sport has access to an NCAA championship.

The action became necessary when the Division II membership at the 2008 Convention facilitated NCAA membership from Canadian schools. Division II is the only division to have taken advantage of an NCAA Executive Committee-approved pilot program to consider four-year Canadian institutions as potential NCAA members.

Simon Fraser, located in Burnaby, British Columbia, officially applied for Division II membership this year and will enter year one of the candidacy period September 1. Simon Fraser does not sponsor ice hockey.

The Membership Committee also approved another matter pertaining to prospective Canadian members, which is when and under what circumstances Canadian institutions are required to convert their financial figures to United States dollars to confirm whether those institutions are complying with Title IX and EADA reporting requirements.

Committee members voted to require Canadian institutions to convert their expenditures from Canadian to United States dollars on May 1 (using the conversion rate published by the United States Treasury) for the purpose of reporting expenditures on their athletics teams.

In other action at the Membership Committee’s July 7-9 meeting, members:

•Noted that the deadline for applications from prospective member institutions will change over the next two years. The usual June 1 deadline will be in place for 2010 but will change to December 1 afterward. That allows for two deadlines in 2010 (June 1 and December 1), and the Membership Committee will review applications at its July 2010 and February 2011 meetings.

•Voted to require institutions in the membership process to file applications and annual reports electronically in addition to submitting a hard copy to the national office.

•Approved a request from Hawaii-Hilo to waive the two-year reclassification period for moving its baseball team from Division I to Division II.
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bigmrg74 said:
So, they're not going to let any more D2 schools be able to start up a D1 hockey program?? That blows chunks!!!
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Not before July 1, 2011 at the absolute earliest.

Pure speculation: The "play-up" option will go away* except for the low-participation sports: ice hockey, field hockey, m/w lacrosse, swimming and diving.

Sports like rifle, skiing, water polo, men's volleyball, bowling, etc. are non-divisional, so they don't really count.

* With existing programs being grandfathered in, of course.
 
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MikeAnderson said:
Not before July 1, 2011 at the absolute earliest.

Pure speculation: The "play-up" option will go away* except for the low-participation sports: ice hockey, field hockey, m/w lacrosse, swimming and diving.

Sports like rifle, skiing, water polo, men's volleyball, bowling, etc. are non-divisional, so they don't really count.

* With existing programs being grandfathered in, of course.
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I sure hope so, it would be pretty dang asinine for the NCAA to not allow D2 schools to have D1 Hockey if they chose to have the sport.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
I sure hope so, it would be pretty dang asinine for the NCAA to not allow D2 schools to have D1 Hockey if they chose to have the sport.
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If by chance Canada has two to three D2 college programs who want to play D1 hockey they should go to the NCAA as a group and ask for them to reconsider the bylaws.

Anything can happen but if they did it that way the would have a better chance of playing up.
 
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4four4 said:
If by chance Canada has two to three D2 college programs who want to play D1 hockey they should go to the NCAA as a group and ask for them to reconsider the bylaws.
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I'd be interested in seeing what happened the last time the NCAA instituted the Division II NC in the early 90s and what the driving forces were within the division, be it new programs sprouting up or a push by Division I (and III) to get the "foreigners" out of their division.

I believe the threshhold is now 50 participating programs to including a divisional championship for an existing sport. We are, obviously, nowhere near that, even if you kick all (and I mean all) of the play-up institutions back to their all-sport divisions.
 
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The biggest problem is potentially that conference affiliation requirement for a team to play up in D-1 once they end the moratorium. Now that we've realigned the conferences with 12 teams each, I don't see them expanding for a very long time.

You'd need at least three Canadian schools that wanted to make the D-1 jump along with the two Alaska schools just to think about starting a conference.
 
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MaizeRage said:
The biggest problem is potentially that conference affiliation requirement for a team to play up in D-1 once they end the moratorium. Now that we've realigned the conferences with 12 teams each, I don't see them expanding for a very long time.

You'd need at least three Canadian schools that wanted to make the D-1 jump along with the two Alaska schools just to think about starting a conference.
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IMO, I just don't see UF and UAA ever leaving an established hockey conference for an up start. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
 
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If a few of them got together it might cause some American Schools to jump in. MSU-Moorehead, CSU, or maybe some school out in Washington, or Oregon.
 
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4four4 said:
IMO, I just don't see UF and UAA ever leaving an established hockey conference for an up start. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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It's all hypothetical, but you never know. They obviously both want to play in the same conference--I'll go out on a limb and say UAA was the one school that didn't vote for UNO in the WCHA because they wanted the option to vote on Alaska too. Neither is a very good fit for the conference they're in. Anchorage has never posted a winning season since joining the WCHA and their attendance has tanked because of it. UA is occasionally decent, but has never made a national tournament. They both have to pay quite a bit in travel costs both for themselves and for the rest of the league to travel up there.

Forming their own league puts them on a little more level footing. Their big problem right now is that they have to recruit almost exclusively out of western Canada, and the USHL, where the rest of their leagues recruit has really surpassed it in terms of depth. If they were in a league that relied on just western Canada for players, they'd be on more level footing.
 
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MikeAnderson said:
I'd be interested in seeing what happened the last time the NCAA instituted the Division II NC in the early 90s and what the driving forces were within the division, be it new programs sprouting up or a push by Division I (and III) to get the "foreigners" out of their division.

I believe the threshhold is now 50 participating programs to including a divisional championship for an existing sport. We are, obviously, nowhere near that, even if you kick all (and I mean all) of the play-up institutions back to their all-sport divisions.
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That and I can easily see a whole lotta fan bases that would be as mad as hell about that, and be loaded for bear on that issue. UMD, Mankato, St. Cloud, BSU, UNO, MTU, NMU, LSSU, Ferris, UAH, Lowell, Marrimack, and the Alaskas would be really mad about that. Might not get a whole lotta complain out of D2 programs like Bentley or AIC. And then everybody in the west is looking at forming a new conference, and its going to be very BTCH looking to me. :p
 
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CHFAN222 said:
If a few of them got together it might cause some American Schools to jump in. MSU-Moorehead, CSU, or maybe some school out in Washington, or Oregon.
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If your waiting on the West Coast, you'll wait forever. There is no grass roots movement for college hockey in Pac 10 country, especially with title IX restrictions. Your far more likely to see the 5 schools without men's soccer add a program and/or lacrosse start ups. Hell, I'd put money on Water Polo coming to the Pac NW before Ice Hockey.

And is there really enough talent in Western Canada that will bypass MJ to preserve eligibility? I assume the NCAA has zero interest in re-evaluating that policy for the benefit of a few CIS schools. Furthermore, I can see CIS taking action against this. "The Yanks are coming!" still works as a form of populism north of the border and you might see some governmental action, especially at the Provincial level.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
If your waiting on the West Coast, you'll wait forever. There is no grass roots movement for college hockey in Pac 10 country, especially with title IX restrictions. Your far more likely to see the 5 schools without men's soccer add a program and/or lacrosse start ups. Hell, I'd put money on Water Polo coming to the Pac NW before Ice Hockey.

And is there really enough talent in Western Canada that will bypass MJ to preserve eligibility? I assume the NCAA has zero interest in re-evaluating that policy for the benefit of a few CIS schools. Furthermore, I can see CIS taking action against this. "The Yanks are coming!" still works as a form of populism north of the border and you might see some governmental action, especially at the Provincial level.
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Ummm... technically, those canucks are invading us, not the other way around here. ;)

But yeah, you're probably right about hockey in the pacific north west area. Unless Nike decides that they wanna get back into the Hockey market and make college hockey happen at Oregon as part of its marketing strategy, its probably not happening.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Ummm... technically, those canucks are invading us, not the other way around here. ;)

But yeah, you're probably right about hockey in the pacific north west area. Unless Nike decides that they wanna get back into the Hockey market and make college hockey happen at Oregon as part of its marketing strategy, its probably not happening.
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Touche sir. Touche.

Yeah I can see "Uncle Phil" being the one possible inroad.
He was apparently the driving force behind the return of UO baseball. Well that and watching Oregon State win back to back College World Series Titles.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
Touche sir. Touche.

Yeah I can see "Uncle Phil" being the one possible inroad.
He was apparently the driving force behind the return of UO baseball. Well that and watching Oregon State win back to back College World Series Titles.
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He's got the money to make it happen, and not just make it happen on a shoe string basis either.
 
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