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Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

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Friday before the election is traditionally the day--> What are the chances that a "bombshell" (defining the term very liberally) drops by 5pm today?

Metaphysical certitude.

I assume there will be dueling bombshells. Trump, er, the FBI will release all its files on everyone in America who has ever registered Democratic. Clinton, er, the Liberal Media will release footage of Trump raping a 9-year old white slave while fellating Putin and redlining blacks out of Queens.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Rover, I can't tell whether you're honestly ignorant or trying to pull a fast one. That doesn't matter. All polls re-weight to the demographic topology of the population being sampled. That's the only way in which any of the math of sampling is justified -- it is how a sample is made representative.

Kep, buddy, I'm trying to help you out here. What do you want to believe, a poll of likely voters or the results from people WHO HAVE ALREADY VOTED!!! No offense to Nate, who's most likely doing his best, but if 67% of Nevada has voted, and Hillary is up 6% in those votes then simply put Trump is fuked in that state. He would pretty much need to crush it on election day?

STILL don't believe your dear ol' Uncle Rover? Well, look no further than Jon Ralston who is more in tune to NV, than you, I, or Nate.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...on-Cake-is-Baked-in-NV-per-Early-Voting-Today

Look, if you want to wet the bed be my guest. For the sake of whoever does your laundry, you might want to hold off however.

Handy on the NBC stuff those are returned ballots in the %'s. Oddly enough for polling Dems are up double digits in early voting in FL because they're winning the 20% that are No Party Affiliation, and also are getting some GOP crossover votes apparently. One thing I didn't realize, Puerto Ricans are driving Dem over performance in early voting amongst Hispanics, and unlike other Hispanic voters they're eligible to vote immediately once they relocate. They're already citizens.

Sic read the article and while I appreciate nate's bedwetting as much as Keps, the bottom line remains. Trump has to win every single swing state, and for the record he's leading in exactly none of them outside of any margin of error, to win this election. I also noticed Nate has nothing in there about early voting. He's also MOE in Arizona and Georgia, which would be akin to Hillary being MOE in Mass and New York.
 
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I guarantee it. And I don't know which side it will be on. Maybe both.

really hope the Clinton team has been saving a bombshell...

then I could take of these adult diapers.
 
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Kep, buddy, I'm trying to help you out here. What do you want to believe, a poll of likely voters or the results from people WHO HAVE ALREADY VOTED!!! No offense to Nate, who's most likely doing his best, but if 67% of Nevada has voted, and Hillary is up 6% in those votes then simply put Trump is fuked in that state. He would pretty much need to crush it on election day?

Old white people don't vote early because they don't have anything better to do on election day. Plus that's the way they've always done it.

I've seen some analysis showing that higher D turn out for early voting doesn't translate to a final higher turnout for a bunch of states.
 
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Old white people don't vote early because they don't have anything better to do on election day. Plus that's the way they've always done it.

I've seen some analysis showing that higher D turn out for early voting doesn't translate to a final higher turnout for a bunch of states.

1) Sure, but if Trump is down double digits with half the vote or more already in, he'd better be manufacturing a whole lotta new old white people to make up the difference. :eek:

2) A somewhat irrelevant comparison. Dems need only bring out their voters. They don't need to goose participation levels above the norms. There are more Dem leaners than GOP leaners in Presidential elections in this country.
 
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i'm not that optimistic. It looks like the bleeding may have stopped (538s graph appears to have leveled out), but a ~65% chance of winning leave plenty of room for things to go wrong.
 
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I beg to differ. Any slight against St Hill, and the majority here immediately respond (general answer): "Witch hunt, better'n Trump!" .

that's because all this manufactured bull**** is putting THE ONLY SANE AND QUALIFIED CANDIDATE's chances into jeopardy. We need to do every ****ing thing we can to make sure Trump isn't elected. Bringing up stupid **** that doesn't really matter like email is counter productive to that.

drop it already. no one thinks Hillary is perfect. But we know focusing on this bull**** is very dangerous.
 
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really hope the Clinton team has been saving a bombshell...

then I could take of these adult diapers.

A little good news. All six 538 models (3 for pres, 3 for Senate) have now reversed slope and show the good guys pulling out of their dive, at approximately 67% likelihood of victory.

Momentum in this race, at least in the polls, has consisted of broad, dramatic, cyclical bounces and crashes for Hillary {oscillating between 60% and 90%} and the D Senate {65%, 75%}. If we have ended the last crash the next bounce should carry well beyond Election Day. Also, neither Hillary nor the D Senate aggregate has ever trailed in the period since early voting began, so if that is to be believed when all the votes are counted it will be a sum of a series of all positive numbers which must by definition be positive.

OTOH, if there are dynamics in this election that break traditional modeling, none of the polling will mean a darn thing.

What we are coming down to is not whether the lines cross late, but whether the polling itself is fundamentally sound.
 
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Dr. Mrs. and I will be canvassing in central PA (York) this weekend. Into the belly of the beast to try to change some minds and appeal to some consciences.

If you want to come to Ohio instead I can put you to work in suburban Cleveland, and Clinton really needs these votes more than any around York PA, since PA will almost certainly be in the win column.
 
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i'm not that optimistic. It looks like the bleeding may have stopped (538s graph appears to have leveled out), but a ~65% chance of winning leave plenty of room for things to go wrong.

Sniffles only had a 2% chance of winning the GOP nomination.
Bernie had only a 1% chance of winning the Michigan primary.

35% is child's play.
 
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If you want to come to Ohio instead I can put you to work in suburban Cleveland, and Clinton really needs these votes more than any around York PA, since PA will almost certainly be in the win column.

But PA is essential. We can win without OH, and if PA is close OH is gone.
 
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really hope the Clinton team has been saving a bombshell...

then I could take of these adult diapers.

Unless the bombshell release shows Donnie Orange Tones holding a gun during a snuff film, what could be more outrageous than the things we already know?
 
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OTOH, if there are dynamics in this election that break traditional modeling, none of the polling will mean a darn thing.

What we are coming down to is not whether the lines cross late, but whether the polling itself is fundamentally sound.

This is pretty much it. If this were any other election, you would look at the polls and feel much more comfortable about a Clinton victory, given that the polls show a notable but not huge lead. Something about this cycle, though, makes it hard to trust the polls 100%; and by that, I mean in both directions, not just in the pro-Trump direction. Additionally, the range of various states is weird this time around. Normally if AZ was R+1%, you would figure FL and OH would be in the bag for D. Recently though it looks like all 3 are clustered very close together. It could be that in the end this one is not the different than other elections, and the talk of it being so is media hype to get more ratings, but we'll see.
 
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Unless the bombshell release ... what could be more outrageous than the things we already know?

Not responsible for your keyboards. Highlight the rest of this post at your own risk.

Crooked Hillary and The Deplorable Vulgarian making the beast with two backs.
 
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