Campaign 2016 Part XXIII: The Penultimate Thread

[Kepler]

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Not their best, but OK.

 

[MaizeRage]

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That's what gets me: the polling says Hillary has won.
But, the anecdotal crap says pay attention.

The problem is that all of your anecdotes involve groups of people that polling already says your guy Trump is doing quite well with.

 

[trixR4kids]

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This is ridiculous. This board has no Trump supporters. There are a few bot-like posters who will pull the lever blindly for any "R," but even they are doing it for party, not for Orangutan Kim Jong-un.

There are small-l libertarian posters who identified with the Republicans until recently and would have gone with Gary Johnson if he wasn't presenting as Stoner Ben Carson.

Stop launching these bogus fusillades. Nobody here is defending Trump except for our cute botniks. Sicatoka and others are about as much supporters of Trump as I am.

Except they constantly concern troll people attacking him, go out of their way to defend him, and constantly act like he's the lesser of two evils which is ridiculous. They might not support the fact that he's losing due to acting like a complete imbecile but they clearly support what he stands for and will likely even vote for him. And we all know who these people are as Rover said.

It's basically like when all the morons defended George Zimmerman but totally weren't racist.

 

[Kepler]

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A good piece I think everybody will enjoy.

 

[BassAle]

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Here comes the blockade.



http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...inite-supreme-court-blockade?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Remember when it was the American people who were going to decide by who they picked as President? Yeah, I don't remember that either.

I really hope to read a headline about Cruz keeling over from a heart attack in a brothel or something. It would be a fitting end to that sanctimonious piece of ****.

 

[Kepler]

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Except they constantly concern troll people attacking him, go out of their way to defend him, and constantly act like he's the lesser of two evils which is ridiculous. They might not support the fact that he's losing due to acting like a complete imbecile but they clearly support what he stands for and will likely even vote for him. And we all know who these people are as Rover said.

It's basically like when all the morons defended George Zimmerman but totally weren't racist.

We have a couple Kellyanne Conway wanna-bes who concern troll, deflect, and draw false equivalency, but the majority of our conservative posters play fair and try to make sound points, and drowning them in a wave of Trump-guilt-by-association doesn't accomplish anything.

I think it is constructive to distinguish between blindly partisan Republican bots, sincere social conservatives, sincere fiscal conservatives, and the other gradations on the right. I certainly wouldn't want to be mistaken for a Democratic bot or a centrist Third Way Clintonista, even though I defend Hillary and intend to vote for her, and want to see the Democrats sweep Congress. As a liberal, maybe even a radical liberal, my interests are best advanced by allying with the moderate wing and the national party. But that doesn't make us the same.

The seriously deranged ratf-ckers who glorify Trump as a Strongman Messiah don't post to a college hockey forum for some reason. We shouldn't attack our most conservative posters as if they were Trumpettes. They're not. At worst, their anti-Clinton rhetoric reaches levels of silliness because it is endlessly reflected and amplified by the RWNJ media and they absorb it as a sort of mental overheating. But even that doesn't make them part of the New Father Coughlinism of the loony right. So don't tar them with that brush.

 

[Kepler]

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I really hope to read a headline about Cruz keeling over from a heart attack in a brothel or something. It would be a fitting end to that sanctimonious piece of ****.

My money's on auto-erotic asphyxiation. He's got the look.

 

[busterman62]

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Except they constantly concern troll people attacking him, go out of their way to defend him, and constantly act like he's the lesser of two evils which is ridiculous. They might not support the fact that he's losing due to acting like a complete imbecile but they clearly support what he stands for and will likely even vote for him. And we all know who these people are as Rover said.

It's basically like when all the morons defended George Zimmerman but totally weren't racist.

Disclaimer:

IT IS MY OPINION THAT DONALD TRUMP IS UNQUALIFIFED TO BECOME POTUS AND IS EQUALLY UNQUALIFIED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RACE. I HAVE PLANTED A TREE IN ORDER TO REPLACE THE OXYGEN HE WASTES.
THE FOLLOWING COMMENT CONCERNING ANOTHER CANDIDATE (OR OTHER PERSONS LIVING, DEAD OR IMAGINED) SHOULD NOT BE MISCONSTRUED AS SUPPORT FOR tDONALD (UNLESS YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON THEN FEEL FREE TO DO SO)

link #1
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[Kepler]

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Disclaimer

Does a tree put out as much oxygen as a human uses (or at least, are they within the same order of magnitude)? That would be a rather neat equivalence.

 

[Rover]

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At worst, their anti-Clinton rhetoric reaches levels of silliness because it is endlessly reflected and amplified by the RWNJ media and they absorb it as a sort of mental overheating. But even that doesn't make them part of the New Father Coughlinism of the loony right. So don't tar them with that brush.

I can and I will, and you should be thanking me for it. Far too many people, and my impression is that you're one of them, cling to the notion that Trump somehow won the nomination by luck. That 70% of the party is sane, but that vote got divided so Trump won with 25% of the total instead of a Kasich type winning. The facts paint a different picture. Trump + Cruz (who's just as nuts) + Carson took about 2/3rds of the primary vote, and were 1-2 at the finish line. Trump represents conservatives, EVEN COLLEGE EDUCATED ONES!!! Now, is it true that some USCHO righties would still not vote for Trump even if he was winning? I suppose. You seem to think it would be all of them. I say no F'in way. If Trump was leading, and especially if he was leading by the margin Hillary has now, all these people you're counting on out here would be singing Trump's praises, because while they may not like the man himself, they like what he stands for.

Think of it this way. Trump is losing college educated whites. Lets assume Democratic college age whites are voting overwhelming for Hillary. That means Republican college age whites are STILL favoring Trump, just not by the margins they favored Mittens by. Your righty friends might not be as heroic as you think Kep.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Here comes the blockade.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...inite-supreme-court-blockade?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Remember when it was the American people who were going to decide by who they picked as President? Yeah, I don't remember that either.

There are ample reasons why my voting record in the coming years is going to be a lot more Democratic/Liberal than my actual political beliefs.

This is merely one of the most pure and simple.

Jindal and Walker destroyed the economies of their states. They have no redeeming value.

The path Wisconsin was on was unsustainable. The pubic pension plan was an unfunded time bomb. Walker tried to fix it when others were happy enough to let the clock run out (and have left the restaurant before the check came to the table). And Louisiana? How do you destroy something that never really existed.

FWIW, I think I had read that WI at least got a fairly significant budget surplus out of it this year. The ends don't necessarily justify the means, but it's better than having all of those means and no end (so to speak).

That said, one of the problems I have with the GOP is that one of the biggest issues that would cause me to vote conservative (fiscal responsibility, debt/budget control) is completely offset by the fact that (a) I typically don't support the ways that the GOP would choose to trim the fat in order to budget properly and (b) there's a lot of credibility lost by how much the GOP seems to cling to trickle-down economics, an abhorrent and ethically wrong lie on par with "spending nine digits of public money on stadiums is a good investment".

 

[MaizeRage]

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We shouldn't attack our most conservative posters as if they were Trumpettes. They're not.

Which of those two groups, God forbid, would be the one to put Trump into office?

You couldn't dumb down the test of our democratic principles, freedoms, and even basic intelligence any more than this. My sympathy for those that still fail is nil.

 

[rufus]

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My money's on auto-erotic asphyxiation. He's got the look.

This look?

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Borowitz-Ted-Cruz-Converting-Us-To-Atheism-1200-800x430.jpg

Imagine the torment of poor Mrs. Ted, having to stare into that 'O' face once a month.

 

[busterman62]

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Does a tree put out as much oxygen as a human uses (or at least, are they within the same order of magnitude)? That would be a rather neat equivalence.

Disclaimer

IT IS MY OPINION THAT DONALD TRUMP IS UNQUALIFIFED TO BECOME POTUS AND IS EQUALLY UNQUALIFIED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN RACE. I HAVE PLANTED A TREE IN ORDER TO REPLACE THE OXYGEN HE WASTES.
THE FOLLOWING COMMENT CONCERNING ANOTHER CANDIDATE (OR OTHER PERSONS LIVING, DEAD OR IMAGINED) SHOULD NOT BE MISCONSTRUED AS SUPPORT FOR tDONALD (UNLESS YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON THEN FEEL FREE TO DO SO)

According to the Arbor Day Foundation, "a mature leafy tree produces as much oxygen in a season as 10 people inhale in a year."

Since it's not a mature tree, at this point I'm paying in installments.

 

[trixR4kids]

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We have a couple Kellyanne Conway wanna-bes who concern troll, deflect, and draw false equivalency, but the majority of our conservative posters play fair and try to make sound points, and drowning them in a wave of Trump-guilt-by-association doesn't accomplish anything.

I think it is constructive to distinguish between blindly partisan Republican bots, sincere social conservatives, sincere fiscal conservatives, and the other gradations on the right. I certainly wouldn't want to be mistaken for a Democratic bot or a centrist Third Way Clintonista, even though I defend Hillary and intend to vote for her, and want to see the Democrats sweep Congress. As a liberal, maybe even a radical liberal, my interests are best advanced by allying with the moderate wing and the national party. But that doesn't make us the same.

The seriously deranged ratf-ckers who glorify Trump as a Strongman Messiah don't post to a college hockey forum for some reason. We shouldn't attack our most conservative posters as if they were Trumpettes. They're not. At worst, their anti-Clinton rhetoric reaches levels of silliness because it is endlessly reflected and amplified by the RWNJ media and they absorb it as a sort of mental overheating. But even that doesn't make them part of the New Father Coughlinism of the loony right. So don't tar them with that brush.

I'm not saying they're total rubes for the guy but I do think there are people on here who support his views and will vote for him on election day. And yes their anti-Clinton views obviously don't necessarily mean they support Trump but the ones that go out of their way to defend him, the alt-right mouth breathers, and his various terrible ideas aren't fooling anyone. They just need to come out of the closet already.

Disclaimer:
link #1
link #2

For the record I don't think disliking Hillary or attacking her makes on a Trump supporter. I do think constantly going out of one's way to defend him "but I'm totally voting third party" is suspicious as best.

 

[Kepler]

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the ones that go out of their way to defend him, the alt-right mouth breathers, and his various terrible ideas aren't fooling anyone. They just need to come out of the closet already.

I see 2 posters always defending Trump, and they are both bots who defend anything with an R and attack anything with a D. You can slaughter them with impunity, I agree they are worthy of nothing but excoriating or, better, Ignore.

I see 1 poster who consistently says things that are "alt-right"-esque. We've all seemingly gone back and forth as to whether he actually believes the sh-t he types or is just a bored troll. His recent MRA nonsense was so bad I have flipped back to thinking he's just bored. Anyway none of us take him seriously so it doesn't matter.

There's definitely some racist stuff that gets laid down by the usual suspects on the cops threads but I don't believe those posters are hard core alt right types. They're either ignorant and just parroting what their daddy said, or they have some autobiographical tweak that they are generalizing for entire groups. Either way they're pretty easy -- debate them on the issues, ignore their occasional casual racist spew unless it cripples their thinking on the issues entirely, in which case, don't engage.

Our conservative posters are in the minority so my liberalism leads me to take their side. Not on content -- on content they're totally misguided! But on process -- we shouldn't be lazy and tag them with sins of those in their coalition who aren't them.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Here's some more of those pretty good ideas Sic thinks the alt-right has: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I can and I will

You may, but I'm struck by the notion that, given your rhetoric, which continually attaches all the most filthy, disgusting, and vile things you can possibly think of to Trump and his followers, when you just casually toss out the accusation it is clear (but perhaps not to you) that what you are doing without any compunction whatsoever is, from your point of view, tagging the accused with all the most filthy, disgusting, and vile slurs you could possibly ever come up with all at once.

It's not a particularly kind practice, but do carry on.

 

[trixR4kids]

There are ample reasons why my voting record in the coming years is going to be a lot more Democratic/Liberal than my actual political beliefs.

This is merely one of the most pure and simple.

FWIW, I think I had read that WI at least got a fairly significant budget surplus out of it this year. The ends don't necessarily justify the means, but it's better than having all of those means and no end (so to speak).

That said, one of the problems I have with the GOP is that one of the biggest issues that would cause me to vote conservative (fiscal responsibility, debt/budget control) is completely offset by the fact that (a) I typically don't support the ways that the GOP would choose to trim the fat in order to budget properly and (b) there's a lot of credibility lost by how much the GOP seems to cling to trickle-down economics, an abhorrent and ethically wrong lie on par with "spending nine digits of public money on stadiums is a good investment".

They have a surplus because of their accounting method being cash based. They borrowed a bunch of long term money though and in most states would be running a deficit.

 

[French Rage]

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Trump says Ashton Carter sucks at his job because we kept telling everyone about attacking Mosul, thus losing the element of surprise. Here he is discussing his thinking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8tfuAa1zHU