Campaign 2016 Part XXIII: The Penultimate Thread

[ScoobyDoo]

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The path Wisconsin was on was unsustainable. The pubic pension plan was an unfunded time bomb. Walker tried to fix it when others were happy enough to let the clock run out (and have left the restaurant before the check came to the table). And Louisiana? How do you destroy something that never really existed.

How many actuaries from the 1970's/'80's/'90's have been put in jail for the systemic destruction they have left so many pension plans in? How many Union heads have been put in jail for accepting contracts without increases in pay for pensions that had no shot at sustainability? How many Government officials have been put in jail for what they've done to Social Security?

I'm sick of hearing about unsustainable paths that were sold to unsuspecting hard working people as their future retirement. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now.

 

[rufus]

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But it makes me wonder how the polls are not showing any hint of this.

The polls may not be showing it, but my local paper every weeks runs a question of its readers, and this week was , who are you going to vote for, and the overwhelming response was Trump. Not that evil, lying, conniving ****** Hillary.

Granted, anecdotal, small sample, and here in the middle of backwoods redneck country, but the anger against the political establishment and what they've done to this country, which she represents, is palpable.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I'm surprised he's not telling his f-ckwits to go armed.

A lot of them go around armed right now: current, active law enforcement.

 

[rufus]

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I HAVE heard (internet, so take it for what it's worth) both major parties will hang up if you declare you are not of their party, thereby going against the party that is calling, and therefore your "vote" is not registered in the polls.

It makes sense on the surface, but that is also in tinfoil territory.

Polls conducted by the parties are different than those conducted scientifically by the media. They don't care what affiliation you have.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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The polls may not be showing it, but my local paper every weeks runs a question of its readers, and this week was , who are you going to vote for, and the overwhelming response was Trump. Not that evil, lying, conniving ****** Hillary.

Granted, anecdotal, small sample, and here in the middle of backwoods redneck country, but the anger against the political establishment and what they've done to this country, which she represents, is palpable.

That's what gets me: the polling says Hillary has won.
But, the anecdotal crap says pay attention.

Last time I remember something like this (the anecdotal, and I ignored it then) the new governor in my neighboring state was a guy who used to wear feather boas.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Polls conducted by the parties are different ...

... because they are normally "push polls", meaning they are designed to move (push) your opinion more so than determine your thoughts.

Push pollers hang on up "their party" because they don't need to "push" those folks anywhere.

 

[Handyman]

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I'm intrigued by your work on the "Trump TV" lineup.

- Howard Stern - mornings? Or is there some other morning possibility I'm missing?
- O'Reilly radio show -- Trump would have to convince him to resurrect radio
- Rush Limbaugh - noon to 3 eastern <-- just simulcast the radio
- Hannity - 3-6 eastern <-- just simulcast the radio
- Dobbs - 6-8 eastern
- O'Reilly - 8-9 eastern
- Hannity TV - 9-10 eastern
- "Buy Gold" infomercials from say midnight until Stern in the morning

My only question is this -- Can Trump buy out O'Reilly's contract at Fox to put him on between Stern and Limbaugh in the mornings and a TV show on at 8 eastern.

PS - In that outlandish scenario triggered by Handy, Fox's ratings tank to MSNBC/CNN levels. Megyn Kelly won't keep that ship afloat without O'Reilly and Hannity (no matter how much Kep may tune in and turn down the volume).

LATE EDIT: I can't believe there's not a space for "Deplorable" Alex Jones in the Trump TV lineup.

That would be an interesting lineup though I am not sure O'Reilly would leave his cushy gig. If Dobbs and Hannity split O'Reilly can renegotiate for big dollar and Faux will throw the bank at him cause in reality Faux really only has the cache it has because of him going back to the beginning. Agreed the ratings tank if all 3 leave though.

I dont think Kelly is going to stay at Faux. She Wants a Lot of Cash which it seems like Murdoch will pay but I think she wants to go elsewhere if she can. Whether I think she is talented enough to do it something tells me she wants to be the Rights version of Katie Couric and she cant do that at Faux.

Speaking of Kelly...Anderson Cooper Defends Her

From the article:

“For Newt Gingrich to accuse Megyn Kelly of being fascinated by sex. This is a guy who is, what, on his third marriage, cheated on his first two wives, and was having an affair while he was impeaching Bill Clinton,” Cooper said.

“For a male like him with his record on relationships to accuse Megyn Kelly of being fascinated by sex, just seems like a particularly ironic thing.”

CNN contributor Ana Navarro agreed during the panel debate of Gingrich’s bizarre defense of the Republican nominee.

“You said ironic. I think the word you’re looking for is hypocritical,” she said, adding that Kelly was reporting on mounting sexual assault allegations leveled at Drumpf.

 

[rufus]

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Regarding Cruz and McCain's blockade, I can't get over how stupid the politics are here. They've now given cover to conservadems who might not go along with overturning the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees to go ahead and do just that under the guise of keeping the court functioning. Obviously this is the knuckledragger strategy all along, but you need not declare it publicly.

Retiring Harry Reid says he's already got the groundwork in place for that to happen.

 

[aparch]

Who didn't see that coming... http://usherald.com/hillary-clinton-finds-hard-way-dont-mess-texas/#

Color me shocked that proprietary software in voting systems, that have very little quality control or quality assurance checks, that do not require stringent testing and certification, and have no oversight, are faulty.

Just as they were for the 2012 general election. And 2008. And when they first "debut" in 2004.


Microsoft products have better oversight and maintenance than electronic voting machines in the US. LINUX has better oversight. Even slot machines scoff at how lax regulations are for electronic voting equipment.

But, voting machines contine to be given the "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" treatment all in the name of "security" and "honesty." (Of which there are neither.)



Open source the software. Attempt to prevent tampering. Allow the agriculture department to certify voting machines. Make it open and transparent.

 

[rufus]

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Jindal and Walker destroyed the economies of their states. They have no redeeming value.

No, that was Obama, and his "regulations".

Get rid of both, and it's unbridled prosperity for all.

 

[Rover]

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That's what gets me: the polling says Hillary has won.
But, the anecdotal crap says pay attention.

Last time I remember something like this (the anecdotal, and I ignored it then) the new governor in my neighboring state was a guy who used to wear feather boas.

While I do appreciate you setting yourself up for abuse after election day with comments like this I don't think Jesse Venture is an apt comparison. IIRC he was tied or within the margins going into election day. Pundidiots just thought that his actual support wouldn't equal his polling #'s. Turns out it did!

In Trump's case in the primaries, he by and large hit the #'s polls said he would. Again, pundits stuck in the notion that conservatives are sane distrusted what the polls were telling them.

But, as I told the Bedwetter Caucus a month ago, you can read the tea leaves with early voting. Not a 1 for 1 comparison to last time since some of the access and # of early voting days have changed, but right now its looking good for the Dems in key states.

 

[Handyman]

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What could go wrong?



I'm surprised he's not telling his f-ckwits to go armed.

Like he needs to tell them...the "protectors" will all be armed just cause.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this...I highly doubt any polling place lets them within a hundred yards of them but if they do...I could see some really bad stuff happening. Voter fraud (which would result) could be the least of our worries

 

[Kepler]

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... because they are normally "push polls", meaning they are designed to move (push) your opinion more so than determine your thoughts.

Push pollers hang on up "their party" because they don't need to "push" those folks anywhere.

Push polling isn't even real polling; it's just a form of political manipulation as you describe.

Internal polling is highly accurate polling tailored to particular groups and questions the campaign wants answered.

 

[Rover]

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Like he needs to tell them...the "protectors" will all be armed just cause.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this...I highly doubt any polling place lets them within a hundred yards of them but if they do...I could see some really bad stuff happening. Voter fraud (which would result) could be the least of our worries

Somehow, I really don't see a bunch of inbred white hillbillies going into the inner city to monitor the polling places, no matter how armed they are!

Any time I've ever voted, and I live in the leafy liberal loaded suburbs, there's always been a cop present so this sounds like an idle threat to me.

 

[Handyman]

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That's what gets me: the polling says Hillary has won.
But, the anecdotal crap says pay attention.

Last time I remember something like this (the anecdotal, and I ignored it then) the new governor in my neighboring state was a guy who used to wear feather boas.

As someone who voted in that election I can tell you this does not parallel that. If Jesse had run in a 2 horse race he gets destroyed...he won because he only needed 35% to win and the other two guys were clowns. Norm Coleman was an opportunistic weasel and Skip was running on his name. Neither had any substance to their campaigns and Jesse went and talked at colleges and everywhere he could engaging the voters.

Plus, Jesse didnt have to deal with an Electoral College. Drumpf can have all the anecdotal polls he wants...hell he can even WIN the National vote. Problem is he is losing all the wrong states. Unless every poll in every swing state is wrong he has no path to 270 without a 3rd party gaining a lot of votes and taking them all from Hillary.

 

[Kepler]

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Like he needs to tell them...the "protectors" will all be armed just cause.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this...I highly doubt any polling place lets them within a hundred yards of them but if they do...I could see some really bad stuff happening. Voter fraud (which would result) could be the least of our worries

Lurking behind the far right is always the threat of violence. From the JHS cafeteria bully to Trump, it's all the same slack-jawed, dullard mentality.

 

[Kepler]

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Somehow, I really don't see a bunch of inbred white hillbillies going into the inner city to monitor the polling places, no matter how armed they are!

Any time I've ever voted, and I live in the leafy liberal loaded suburbs, there's always been a cop present so this sounds like an idle threat to me.

Based on where I vote, I assume their strategy is to turn rural precincts that are 70% red into 95% red. That's still effective suppression for the statewide count.

I agree none of these f-ckstains is going near PG County or Baltimore.

 

[Kepler]

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Trump is the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

No, that was Obama, and his "regulations".

Get rid of both, and it's unbridled prosperity for all.

I always love that one.

 

[Rover]

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Based on where I vote, I assume their strategy is to turn rural precincts that are 70% red into 95% red. That's still effective suppression for the statewide count.

I agree none of these f-ckstains is going near PG County or Baltimore.

This is why early voting and mail in voting is the death of the GOP. The idea of only having one polling place in Dem areas or an armed doofus trying to intimidate voters sounds great, but by the time election day rolls around 40% of the population would have already cast their ballots, and I'm guessing that % is a majority Dems since they have a turnout operation and Trump does not. GOP strategists woke up to this reality far too late IMHO. While trying a fruitless attempt to change voter ID laws two months before election day, something the courts continuously shoot down, they allowed early voting to proliferate. That benefits the party who has more voters, but who show up more infrequently. Now once again the courts shoot down any attempt to restrict early voting once already in place if the reason behind it is "its hurting the Republican party".