Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

[bronconick]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

Kep its tough to win a war when the other side has 4 times as many troops. The GOP Establishment is impotent. The base doesn't give a rat's arse about what they want. That Duck Dynasty guy has a better chance at being the nominee in 2020 than these country club stiffs that you're pining for.

The base isn't going to pay attention to arcane rule changes 3 years before the next Presidential election. No one cares that much outside of political gurus which by definition eliminates the Trump base.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

And Scooby, Hillary wont play nice like Obama did...she doesnt care about legitimizing her Presidency and reaching across the aisle. She can play the game just as well as the GOPers can.

This is correct to a point. The Clintons play for keeps exactly like the GOP. Dubya's margin insofar as it was even real was a joke but he governed like he'd won a 49-state majority. The Clintons are that way, too -- if you're useful, fine, get on the bus, regardless of party. Otherwise you can sleep with the fishes. Ask Tulsi Gabbard how her political future looks.

My god are Republicans going to miss Obama's academic squeamishness at bare knuckle politics. Hillary is going to run the show like Haley Barbour or Trent Lott would. And Schumer instead of Harry? "Nice Southern Economy you've got there; be a shame if something 'appened to it" -- exchanges knowing looks with Janet Yellen, Larry Fink, Jamie Dimon, Steve Schwarzman, and William Dudley.

But... Hillary actually does reach across the aisle, because she's a pragmatist. She understands politics is about power, not moral truth. Obama tried to be Lincoln; Hillary is going to be LBJ. There will be plenty of situations in which Hillary and the GOP establishment can scratch each other's back to thwart bad behavior by both their fringes. Ryan will be on better speaking terms with her and Pelosi than with a third of the members of his own caucus.

The funny thing is the voters really wanted a president who would ignore party and they're going to get one without knowing it. Hillary will strengthen the Democratic party when it suits her and weaken it when it suits her, just like Bill and LBJ did.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

The full oeuvre of the insult comic dog.

 

[French Rage]

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"We're going to have a very much great country": http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/wer...ral&utm_campaign=im&utm_tracker=1737131x84899

But will it have the best goodness?

 

[French Rage]

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I think sometimes we just need to acknowledge great word salad: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

“I’ll tell you what, we’re doing well in the polls, but you know, I really think those polls are very inaccurate,” Trump said, flanked by women waving pink “Women for Trump” signs. “When it comes to women, I think we’re doing better with women than with men. So we’re setting records with men. But I want to set records with women. I hate to tell the men this, but if I could swap, I’d swap you out so fast, you have no idea how fast.”

 

[SJHovey]

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This is correct to a point. The Clintons play for keeps exactly like the GOP. Dubya's margin insofar as it was even real was a joke but he governed like he'd won a 49-state majority. The Clintons are that way, too -- if you're useful, fine, get on the bus, regardless of party. Otherwise you can sleep with the fishes. Ask Tulsi Gabbard how her political future looks.

My god are Republicans going to miss Obama's academic squeamishness at bare knuckle politics. Hillary is going to run the show like Haley Barbour or Trent Lott would. And Schumer instead of Harry? "Nice Southern Economy you've got there; be a shame if something 'appened to it" -- exchanges knowing looks with Janet Yellen, Larry Fink, Jamie Dimon, Steve Schwarzman, and William Dudley.

But... Hillary actually does reach across the aisle, because she's a pragmatist. She understands politics is about power, not moral truth. Obama tried to be Lincoln; Hillary is going to be LBJ. There will be plenty of situations in which Hillary and the GOP establishment can scratch each other's back to thwart bad behavior by both their fringes. Ryan will be on better speaking terms with her and Pelosi than with a third of the members of his own caucus.

The funny thing is the voters really wanted a president who would ignore party and they're going to get one without knowing it. Hillary will strengthen the Democratic party when it suits her and weaken it when it suits her, just like Bill and LBJ did.

What's actually going to happen is we're going to spend the first 18 months of her presidency parsing the wikileaks material. Trump and his nonsense have provided nice cover. But once she's in, the mainstream media is going to look around for something to attract eyeballs, and what better than a bunch of embarrassing stuff on the sitting President. It will be even a thousand times worse if the Republicans still control the Senate, because then we're actually going to see Congressional time spent on it as well. Yippee, we get to relive 1996-98 all over again.

 

[Rover]

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The other side has zero troops. These decisions are going to be made by the adults in the room -- the 158 voting members of the Republican National Committee. Trump and his supporters won't be even allowed in by the servants' entrance.

I'm going to put this alongside your Jebbers! as GOP nominee prediction. You cannot make rules that screw 80% of the party or they just won't participate at best, and will riot at worse. Trump voters are as vindictive as I've ever seen, and coming from me, a pretty vindictive person myself, that's saying something. You keep clinging to the hope that "normal" Republicans are going to re-assert themselves, while I keep telling you there are no normal Republicans left. The idea that changing arcane primary rules will stop another Trump is absurd. Its going to take a generational effort to pull the GOP away from Trumpism.

Regarding reaching across the aisle, the Hillary campaign is doing something fascinating, which is its trying to cleave the educated voters out of the Republican party. Maybe this is only 20% of it, but if you take a party winning 45-47% of the vote and 20% leaves either for the Dems or 3rd party (or doesn't vote), you've now sent the GOP's ceiling to the high 30's. I would expect a couple of bipartisan gestures if she's Prez to further help along the GOP's civil war.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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This is correct to a point. The Clintons play for keeps exactly like the GOP. Dubya's margin insofar as it was even real was a joke but he governed like he'd won a 49-state majority. The Clintons are that way, too -- if you're useful, fine, get on the bus, regardless of party. Otherwise you can sleep with the fishes. Ask Tulsi Gabbard how her political future looks.

My god are Republicans going to miss Obama's academic squeamishness at bare knuckle politics. Hillary is going to run the show like Haley Barbour or Trent Lott would. And Schumer instead of Harry? "Nice Southern Economy you've got there; be a shame if something 'appened to it" -- exchanges knowing looks with Janet Yellen, Larry Fink, Jamie Dimon, Steve Schwarzman, and William Dudley.

But... Hillary actually does reach across the aisle, because she's a pragmatist. She understands politics is about power, not moral truth. Obama tried to be Lincoln; Hillary is going to be LBJ. There will be plenty of situations in which Hillary and the GOP establishment can scratch each other's back to thwart bad behavior by both their fringes. Ryan will be on better speaking terms with her and Pelosi than with a third of the members of his own caucus.

The funny thing is the voters really wanted a president who would ignore party and they're going to get one without knowing it. Hillary will strengthen the Democratic party when it suits her and weaken it when it suits her, just like Bill and LBJ did.

LBJ had huge party majorities in the House and Senate and his battles were primarily with those within his own party. A party which he wielded tremendous power over. Hils can't threaten to primary Ryan or Lindsey Graham. If she doesn't get the Senate, she doesn't get anything because those R's are going to be under (the probably correct) assumption that their R constituents put them there to stop HRC. With the Senate she gets her noms but the House is still going to stymie her unless she gives up a lot. They won't be bullied because the majority of the gen. pop. doesn't like her whether they vote for her or not, and she falls way short of LBJ's ability to charm. Which is saying something because he was a huge *******.

 

[Handyman]

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This is correct to a point. The Clintons play for keeps exactly like the GOP. Dubya's margin insofar as it was even real was a joke but he governed like he'd won a 49-state majority. The Clintons are that way, too -- if you're useful, fine, get on the bus, regardless of party. Otherwise you can sleep with the fishes. Ask Tulsi Gabbard how her political future looks.

My god are Republicans going to miss Obama's academic squeamishness at bare knuckle politics. Hillary is going to run the show like Haley Barbour or Trent Lott would. And Schumer instead of Harry? "Nice Southern Economy you've got there; be a shame if something 'appened to it" -- exchanges knowing looks with Janet Yellen, Larry Fink, Jamie Dimon, Steve Schwarzman, and William Dudley.

But... Hillary actually does reach across the aisle, because she's a pragmatist. She understands politics is about power, not moral truth. Obama tried to be Lincoln; Hillary is going to be LBJ. There will be plenty of situations in which Hillary and the GOP establishment can scratch each other's back to thwart bad behavior by both their fringes. Ryan will be on better speaking terms with her and Pelosi than with a third of the members of his own caucus.

The funny thing is the voters really wanted a president who would ignore party and they're going to get one without knowing it. Hillary will strengthen the Democratic party when it suits her and weaken it when it suits her, just like Bill and LBJ did.

What I meant was, she wont worry about what they think if it gets in the way of what she wants. Obama wasted too much time (especially with Dem Control) or worrying about what the GOP thought and trying to create a bridge with them. Hillary will be like Vito Corleone asking for Johnny Fontaine to be let out of his contract...he will ask nicely and offer a good deal and if they say know she will pull out a gun and make them sign it.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

What's actually going to happen is we're going to spend the first 18 months of her presidency parsing the wikileaks material. Trump and his nonsense have provided nice cover. But once she's in, the mainstream media is going to look around for something to attract eyeballs, and what better than a bunch of embarrassing stuff on the sitting President. It will be even a thousand times worse if the Republicans still control the Senate, because then we're actually going to see Congressional time spent on it as well. Yippee, we get to relive 1996-98 all over again.

I think it will take longer for that to happen but at some point it will. She will get the usual honeymoon period plus a bit more because the media doesnt want to risk ripping to shreds the first female president. It hasnt exactly been a ratings bonanza so far.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

LBJ had huge party majorities in the House and Senate and his battles were primarily with those within his own party. A party which he wielded tremendous power over. Hils can't threaten to primary Ryan or Lindsey Graham. If she doesn't get the Senate, she doesn't get anything because those R's are going to be under (the probably correct) assumption that their R constituents put them there to stop HRC. With the Senate she gets her noms but the House is still going to stymie her unless she gives up a lot. They won't be bullied because the majority of the gen. pop. doesn't like her whether they vote for her or not, and she falls way short of LBJ's ability to charm. Which is saying something because he was a huge *******.

Ryan has plenty of other problems to worry about...if he and his group spend as much time saying no to her as they do to Hillary they are going to have real problems. (especially if they lose a lot of seats) Being the Do Nothing Party only works for so long. Also remember, all of these clowns have to wear the Drumpf albatross around their neck.

 

[Rover]

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The 2nd half of the Obama administration has taught a valuable lesson, which is you don't need to pass laws to govern. Like it or not, but if Congress refused to act the President can, provided the courts back him/her up.

So, win the WH and the Senate, and you win the courts. Then any rule the President comes up with for immigration, the environment, finance, etc can be enacted via existing law, not new ones. The House is only relevant in terms of the budget. Not a small matter to be sure, but you can get a lot done without them.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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(notice we dont hear much from the Notre Dame hockey guy )

I'm still here, but unlike all (or most of you) I'm actively working on preventing Trump from winning. I have a 2 day break from that to pick up a little of my usual job and then it will be 2 weeks of non-stop work on getting Clinton a win in Ohio. I might point out that after a hiccup in the Buckeye state my work (and 1000s of others too) has the odds looking quite a bit more favorable than they did a month ago.

Besides that, hockey season has started and that is infinitely more important than your silly election!

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXII: Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Politicians!

I keep telling you there are no normal Republicans left.

Nonsense.

 

[Handyman]

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Dont pat yourself on the back too much...for weeks Ohio was only the Swing State voting fro Drumpf so it wasnt like he was winning anyways

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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And Scooby, Hillary wont play nice like Obama did...she doesnt care about legitimizing her Presidency and reaching across the aisle. She can play the game just as well as the GOPers can. Jesus enjoy the win...

I really hope this is how she approaches things. If so and she actually accomplishes something of lasting note, her presidency will be legitimized in the best possible ways.

 

[Kepler]

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I really hope this is how she approaches things. If so and she actually accomplishes something of lasting note, her presidency will be legitimized in the best possible ways.

Well, there will eventually be some BS that Republicans try to blow up into a scandal. They shot their wad on demonizing the Clintons for thirty years. Even if they want to change tack their voters won't let them. And they don't want to because they have no ideas. The GOP needs an intellectual enemy. The dried fecal matter of petrified trickle down and "states rights" has jammed their poop chute, and they're so constipated all they can do is angrily bellow. They're so full of it after thirty years that they're literally bursting open.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Well, there will eventually be some BS that Republicans try to blow up into a scandal. They shot their wad on demonizing the Clintons for thirty years. Even if they want to change tack their voters won't let them. And they don't want to because they have no ideas. The GOP needs an intellectual enemy. The dried fecal matter of petrified trickle down and "states rights" has jammed their poop chute, and they're so constipated all they can do is angrily bellow. They're so full of it after thirty years that they're literally bursting open.

Hopefully the tone of this post is not indicative of any personal physical issues currently affecting you Kep!

 

[Kepler]

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Hopefully the tone of this post is not indicative of any personal physical issues currently affecting you Kep!

LOL. Well, I am at work, and I do sometimes feel a bit squeezed here...

Meanwhile, Josh Marshall thinks maybe, just maybe, we could see something big in 15 days:

The blizzard of sexual assault and groping accusations against Trump have driven Clinton's margin among college-educated white women to an almost unbelievable 32 point margin. Over all Trump leads with white voters by only 4 points; Romney's margin was 20 points at the same time for years ago. Trump's 'rigged election' claims and especially his refusal to say he will accept a defeat on November 8th have generated an overwhelmingly negative response.

But here's the key, the big deal ...

The previous ABC/Post poll found a sharp 12-point decline in enthusiasm for Trump among his supporters, almost exclusively among those who’d preferred a different GOP nominee. Intended participation now has followed: The share of registered Republicans who are likely to vote is down 7 points since mid-October.

I still can't conceive of a wave big enough to take the House being anything but a 1% fluke chance. But if Trump was trying to drive up Democratic turnout and depress Republican, he couldn't be doing a better job.

 

[Scarlet]

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Trump seems to be tweeting up a storm that the polls are actually all in his favor!