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Campaign 2016 Part XVIII: I'm OK, You're Deplorable

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aparch said:
538 is approaching full panic:

Dave Rothschild @DavMacRiot: "Something wrong with @FiveThirtyEight forecast. If you enjoy roller-coasters, please jump on, otherwise, follow https://t.co/iVgKTSRLoR

Nate Silver @NateSilver538:Never seen otherwise-smart people in so much denial about something as they are about Trump's chances. Same mistake as primaries, Brexit.

To put it another way, the burden of proof should be on people who DON'T show a competitive race, because that requires MORE assumptions.

Instead, there are a lot of *implicit* and *unexamined* assumptions that the race will shift back to Clinton. That's dangerous.
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Complacency is going to be the death knell...if either side thinks they can sit back and wait things out they got another thing coming.

You would think Hillary would have learned from 2008 but she hasnt...and now her campaign is starting to resemble the Houston Oilers in the 1993 playoffs...
 
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Handyman said:
"We will survive" isnt good enough I am sorry. A Drumpf Presidency will make the 8 years of Dubya look like the Golden Age. Christ the economy alone will go to crap. And I am not going to risk the things I care about because the Republic will survive. Proving a point isnt worth the grief...
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Just remember no matter what happened those 8 years to 42% of the electorate those 8 years were better than anything Obama gave them.
 
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I would ordinarily agree with Hovey, since I'm just disposed that way. But what came of Bush II's presidency, particularly his decision to go into Iraq, makes it impossible to be dismissive about what can happen with the wrong guy in charge. And Trump, with his ignorance, arrogance and recklessness, is far more dangerous than Bush was (or appeared to be) with regard to foreign policy. I do think we may be mistaken as to how conservative Trump would be on some domestic issues, since he has some fairly liberal past and will obviously say anything that will sell or will gain him attention. But the foreign policy risk is scary with that guy. Bad decisions there and a LOT of people pay.
 
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Also, reading some of the replies to his tweets are interesting. Lots of "Oh you're just anti-Hillary," "I always add 10 points to the Dems with your polls," "a three point lead is totally safe!" and my favorite reply: "The volatility of your model will be prove wrong after the election. Race totally safe for Hillary."


Jesus, even Nate Silver admitted his models called Trump the Republican nominee and he discredited it. And his Brexit numbers showed it being such a close race, yet others dismissed it. Similar to this campaign. :eek:
 
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Handyman said:
Complacency is going to be the death knell...if either side thinks they can sit back and wait things out they got another thing coming.

You would think Hillary would have learned from 2008 but she hasnt...and now her campaign is starting to resemble the Houston Oilers in the 1993 playoffs...
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No, it's resembling the Kasich and Rubio and Cruz campaigns from just a few months ago. People standing around asking, "how is this possible?"
 
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SJHovey said:
It is also founded in faith in the Republic. I'm not going to get hysterical about either a Clinton or a Trump presidency, as some have chosen to do.
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I'm kind of here, but I've noticed Trump is always touting Nielson ratings and the Clintons love polls and focus groups. Maybe they're both about as likely to make a bunch of decisions simply based on the popularity of a given idea. Which of course puts things back in the hands of an electorate that thought giving us these two horrible choices was a good idea in the first place... err... perhaps I should panic more after all.:eek:
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I'm kind of here, but I've noticed Trump is always touting Nielson ratings and the Clintons love polls and focus groups. Maybe they're both about as likely to make a bunch of decisions simply based on the popularity of a given idea. Which of course puts things back in the hands of an electorate that thought giving us these two horrible choices was a good idea in the first place... err... perhaps I should panic more after all.:eek:
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I don't know Donald Trump. All I know is what I've read about him, and how I've seen him depicted in things like the 30 For 30 movie on the USFL, and Bryant Gumbel's stories on Trumps failed golf course plans.

But my sense from what I've read about Trump is he is all plan, no action. He's a great guy for saying, "we're going to do this, and we're going to build that, and people are going to love it, and it's going to be great and everyone will call me a hero,....." but then never following through. The world is filled with empty lots or buildings, half built golf course resorts and casinos that were Trump's great ideas, but never actually got done. As I think just about every former President will tell you, it is really, really hard as President to get your ideas implemented. A heck of a lot harder than it is in the private sector or business world.

I've written it here before, and it bears repeating. I think Donald Trump only wants to be POTUS to put it on his resume. I don't think he actually wants to do anything as President. That's why he told Kasich that he'd let Kasich control foreign and domestic policy if he agreed to be V.P., as so hilariously pointed out by John Oliver. In a Trump presidency, we're probably much more likely to be harmed by inactivity as actual action.

To my way of thinking, the worst thing about a Trump presidency is simply the loss of respect around the world that comes with doing something stupid. There is no question the rest of the world will look at us like, "really, Donald Trump? Jeebus." You know, it's kind of the same way we look at Maine or Texas right now. But that can be corrected.
 
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SJHovey said:
I don't know Donald Trump. All I know is what I've read about him, and how I've seen him depicted in things like the 30 For 30 movie on the USFL, and Bryant Gumbel's stories on Trumps failed golf course plans.

But my sense from what I've read about Trump is he is all plan, no action. He's a great guy for saying, "we're going to do this, and we're going to build that, and people are going to love it, and it's going to be great and everyone will call me a hero,....." but then never following through. The world is filled with empty lots or buildings, half built golf course resorts and casinos that were Trump's great ideas, but never actually got done. As I think just about every former President will tell you, it is really, really hard as President to get your ideas implemented. A heck of a lot harder than it is in the private sector or business world.

I've written it here before, and it bears repeating. I think Donald Trump only wants to be POTUS to put it on his resume. I don't think he actually wants to do anything as President. That's why he told Kasich that he'd let Kasich control foreign and domestic policy if he agreed to be V.P., as so hilariously pointed out by John Oliver. In a Trump presidency, we're probably much more likely to be harmed by inactivity as actual action.

To my way of thinking, the worst thing about a Trump presidency is simply the loss of respect around the world that comes with doing something stupid. There is no question the rest of the world will look at us like, "really, Donald Trump? Jeebus." You know, it's kind of the same way we look at Maine or Texas right now. But that can be corrected.
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You can tiptoe all you want. The facts are that what you've said here is a complete discounting of 2000-2008. That's clear. And you're not alone. A lot of people are doing that right now. Hell, they did it during McCain's run and Romney's run. Until the Republican Party steps up and starts governing occasionally any of them that get elected pushes the needle closer to or more into the red.

What this election should be about is what the policies of the United States should be and how to get there. Not about the length of Trump's dick. Which is what it is about now on both sides.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
What this election should be about is what the policies of the United States should be and how to get there.
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Exactly and that should involve comparing the candidates positions on specific issues. But that would be way too politically correct for Con-Man Trump. That explains why when he announced his child care plan, instead of explaining why it is superior to Clinton's proposal (not gonna get much applause from that), he heaped praise on his daughter and lied about Clinton not having a plan and claimed she never will. And that's the "politically incorrect" device that his willfully ignorant supporter love to see. Light on substance and heavy on bashing Hillary, facts be ****ed.
 
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Handyman said:
Complacency is going to be the death knell...if either side thinks they can sit back and wait things out they got another thing coming.
You would think Hillary would have learned from 2008 but she hasnt...and now her campaign is starting to resemble the Houston Oilers in the 1993 playoffs...
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Handyman said:
That is encouraging...lets see if it holds as more early ballots come in.
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Yes, it's encouraging, but you said it best just a few posts above: Complacency is going to be the death knell.
 
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Rogie21 said:
Exactly and that should involve comparing the candidates positions on specific issues. But that would be way too politically correct for Con-Man Trump. That explains why when he announced his child care plan, instead of explaining why it is superior to Clinton's proposal (not gonna get much applause from that), he heaped praise on his daughter and lied about Clinton not having a plan and claimed she never will. And that's the "politically incorrect" device that his willfully ignorant supporter love to see. Light on substance and heavy on bashing Hillary, facts be ****ed.
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His child care plan wasn't family leave it was maternity leave. It's a complete farce.
 
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aparch said:
Yes, it's encouraging, but you said it best just a few posts above: Complacency is going to be the death knell.
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Not directed at you but I'd throw out there that some people are confusing lack of panic with complacency and they aren't the same things. When Obama didn't panic during his races he was portrayed as cool and calm. When Hillary doesn't clearly its the lingering result of a head injury. :eek: :D

There's no need to panic. Use your superior GOTV operation to bank early votes. Start sending your surrogates out now that people are paying more attention to the race (the Obamas, Warren, Sanders, etc) and win the debates. That's the slow, steady but ultimately effective response, not peeing your pants whenever one poll goes against you. The fundamentals of this race remain the same. Either Dems turn out or they don't. That's entirely up to Dems to decide.
 
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When are the Republicans going to govern? None of them should be elected to anything until they do.

From Elizabeth Warren's Facebook.

Shutting down the government isn't very popular with the American people. You'd think the Republicans would've learned that by now. But here we are, weeks from an election, and Republicans are doing it again - once again threatening to shut down the government unless Congress and the President agree to neuter the SEC's ability to force public companies to disclose political contributions.

At this very moment, billions of dollars in secret dark money is flowing into our political system, trying to prop up Donald Trump and his Republican allies in Congress in November. So I understand that Mitch McConnell has billions of reasons to defend this rotten system. But if he thinks he can hold the government hostage in order to protect anonymous corporate donors who want to buy off politicians, he should think again.
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Here's the detailed article.

https://morningconsult.com/2016/09/...seen-roadblocks-deal-government-funding-bill/
 
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SJHovey said:
Weird. Apparently 538 didn't get the memo that it's only old, white, uneducated racists that don't trust or like HRC.
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Try again Hovey. From the article:

"In the GenForward survey, black millennials reported voting for Sanders over Clinton 44 to 32 percent. The report also found that police brutality was the top issue for a plurality of black millennials, followed closely by racism, then education — all issues on which Clinton has issued policy positions. This reinforces a key finding of the Democratic strategy report: Many of the young black voters who are lukewarm about Clinton agreed with her policy proposals but either were not aware of them or, even more critically, were not aware of how often she had spoken out about issues like race and policing or had met with organizers like Mothers of the Movement, a group of black parents whose children were killed by police."

In short, young people are less engaged at this point in time than older people but Trump still has rock bottom approval ratings with them while they agree with Hillary on the issues they care about. This benefits him....how?
 
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