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Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!

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Except Obama is the one who "lied" not Clinton. She isnt even mentioned in the story. People can twist it as much as they want (like Sicatoka is trying to do) but nothing about it has anything to do with the Clinton Campaign. The deal was struck before she was SOS and all of these gaffes took place well after she left. The true blatant lie is that it has anything to do with her.

She's running on being Obama's third term. That is undeniable. We all around here may be smart enough to dissect it as not connected to her but the vast majority of Americans will not be able to make that distinction.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!

Except Obama is the one who "lied" not Clinton. She isnt even mentioned in the story. People can twist it as much as they want (like Sicatoka is trying to do) ...

1. I'm not trying to do any such thing. I'm telling you what will be Trump's play.
2. Trump is bound and determined to tie Hillary to Obama, i.e. Obama 3.0, and his campaign will use this. To believe otherwise is naive.
 
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1. I'm not trying to do any such thing. I'm telling you what will be Trump's play.
2. Trump is bound and determined to tie Hillary to Obama, i.e. Obama 3.0, and his campaign will use this. To believe otherwise is naive.

Hillary is bound and determined to tie Hillary to Obama. Let's not kid ourselves.
 
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Hillary is bound and determined to tie Hillary to Obama. Let's not kid ourselves.

The guy's approval ratings are in the 50's. Wouldn't you? Don't need a redo of the boneheaded Al Gore campaign keeping a President with a 70% approval rating under wraps. :rolleyes:
 
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The guy's approval ratings are in the 50's. Wouldn't you? Don't need a redo of the boneheaded Al Gore campaign keeping a President with a 70% approval rating under wraps. :rolleyes:

Of course I would. That's not the point I was making.
 
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She's running on being Obama's third term. That is undeniable. We all around here may be smart enough to dissect it as not connected to her but the vast majority of Americans will not be able to make that distinction.

Yeah she is, but that is immaterial. The only people who will find a way to connect the dots are the people already voting for Drumpf and you know it.

As for Manafort...my guess is something big is coming.
 
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The guy's approval ratings are in the 50's. Wouldn't you?

It's a great strategy, until something like this "ransom" event happens. What's next for Obama (and by proxy Obama 3.0) between now and November, or are they both too Teflon for it to matter.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!

It's a great strategy, until something like this "ransom" event happens. What's next for Obama (and by proxy Obama 3.0) between now and November, or are they both too Teflon for it to matter.

Yeah, but it wasn't a ransom. It was a very complicated transaction and since the Iranians are *********s we used leverage every where we could without crossing any lines. Why any American in their right mind would travel to that hellhole so they could just end up in jail is beyond me.
 
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Illustrates why everyone should drive the West at some time in their life. So much space and so few people.

Agree.
So many folks believe that the entire continent looks like Manhattan or Staten Island with just a few breaks of "Yellowstone Park". The reality is the continent looks like park, with a few ugly interruptions like Cleveland.
 
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Yeah, but it wasn't a ransom. It was a very complicated transaction and since the Iranians are *********s we used leverage every where we could without crossing any lines
Really?
http://nypost.com/2016/08/18/state-...-iran-was-contingent-on-us-prisoners-release/

State Department spokesman John Kirby was asked at a press briefing: “In basic English, you’re saying you wouldn’t give them $400 million in cash until the prisoners were released, correct?”

“That’s correct,” Kirby replied.

Basic quid pro quo; and that's what a ransom is. That's all the average American (OK, those paying attention) will see.

Why any American in their right mind would travel to that hellhole so they could just end up in jail is beyond me.

Agree.
 
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Really?
http://nypost.com/2016/08/18/state-...-iran-was-contingent-on-us-prisoners-release/



Basic quid pro quo; and that's what a ransom is. That's all the average American (OK, those paying attention) will see.



Agree.

Yeah, that's the semantic that Trump will use. But, it was Iran's money. It wasn't ours. So if you want to call it a ransom because we wouldn't give them the money that they were going to get through arbitration eventually anyway feel free.
 
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Yeah she is, but that is immaterial. The only people who will find a way to connect the dots are the people already voting for Drumpf and you know it.

As for Manafort...my guess is something big is coming.

Probably leaving the country to avoid tax evasion. Maybe he can roomie with Snowden.
 
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Here's an analogy:

In 1978 your friendly local cable owner sends you a $100 check as a deposit for some cabinetry work you promise to do in the office next month, but before you can begin the work, your local cable company is the subject of a hostile takeover by Comcast. Subsequently your home cable goes wonky, continually cutting in "Hot 'n' Horny Housewives VI" in front of Grandma and the kids during the post Thanksgiving meal break. It's a bit disconcerting so you call and complain.

While taking a smoke break, the cable guy they sent out starts your shed on fire. In a panic he peels out of the driveway running over your dog and clipping the side of your new Chevy conversion van. You subsequently decide that maybe you don't want to work for these guys and try to send back the $100. But it turns out Comcast has "disappeared" the old office staff and you can't get past the recording to a real person on the customer service line at all. What can a guy do? Besides you're out a shed, a dog, and substantial body work on the ol' "shaggin' wagon". You decide maybe Dish Network isn't so bad after all, so after many long calls you switch over and forget about it.

Sometime later Comcast sues you for the $100 the previous owner gave you plus all the monthly bills since 1978 because they have no record of you canceling, despite you having recorded the 14 conversations in which you did. Shortly thereafter, you notice random cable guys stopping late at night to throw rocks at your windows. It's unclear whether this is directed by Comcast or it's simply because they just personally hate the Dish on your roof, (or both) although you do subsequently receive a letter in which the president of Comcast describes their new "Friends and Family" plan as one where they will commence fire bombing your friends and family if you don't comply. They actually get your little cousin with a RPG, but you kind of shrug it off because he was pretty annoying and did actually pee on your couch one time when he was six.

Finally, as the court date approaches, the cable guy kidnaps your wife.

Not really that big of a deal, but problematic since, despite your mother-in-law thinking you're some kind of weird pervert ever since Thanksgiving 1978, she still comes to visit occasionally and you can't stomach the thought of being stuck in a room alone with her. So you suck it up and dial 666 for Comcast and tell them you want your wife back. They tell you they would like to help but your account is showing a negative $73,000 balance... ...Good news, however! As a one time special favor, if you send them $292 and switch back on a two year contract with free HBO, they'll get the tech to bring your wife back and hook you up at the same time!

"Oh ok, fine, whatever. As long as it's clear I'm not paying a ransom for her. She'll never let me hear the end of it!"

"Of course not! And thank you for doing business with Comcast! Have a Great Day and remember, Death to all non-subscribers!" :)

The cable guy brings your wife back and hooks you up. While on a smoke break, he sets your shed on fire....

You also don't get HBO.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!

Here's an analogy:

In 1978 your friendly local cable owner sends you a $100 check as a deposit for some cabinetry work you promise to do in the office next month, but before you can begin the work, your local cable company is the subject of a hostile takeover by Comcast. Subsequently your home cable goes wonky, continually cutting in "Hot 'n' Horny Housewives VI" in front of Grandma and the kids during the post Thanksgiving meal break. It's a bit disconcerting so you call and complain.

While taking a smoke break, the cable guy they sent out starts your shed on fire. In a panic he peels out of the driveway running over your dog and clipping the side of your new Chevy conversion van. You subsequently decide that maybe you don't want to work for these guys and try to send back the $100. But it turns out Comcast has "disappeared" the old office staff and you can't get past the recording to a real person on the customer service line at all. What can a guy do? Besides you're out a shed, a dog, and substantial body work on the ol' "shaggin' wagon". You decide maybe Dish Network isn't so bad after all, so after many long calls you switch over and forget about it.

Sometime later Comcast sues you for the $100 the previous owner gave you plus all the monthly bills since 1978 because they have no record of you canceling, despite you having recorded the 14 conversations in which you did. Shortly thereafter, you notice random cable guys stopping late at night to throw rocks at your windows. It's unclear whether this is directed by Comcast or it's simply because they just personally hate the Dish on your roof, (or both) although you do subsequently receive a letter in which the president of Comcast describes their new "Friends and Family" plan as one where they will commence fire bombing your friends and family if you don't comply. They actually get your little cousin with a RPG, but you kind of shrug it off because he was pretty annoying and did actually pee on your couch one time when he was six.

Finally, as the court date approaches, the cable guy kidnaps your wife.

Not really that big of a deal, but problematic since, despite your mother-in-law thinking you're some kind of weird pervert ever since Thanksgiving 1978, she still comes to visit occasionally and you can't stomach the thought of being stuck in a room alone with her. So you suck it up and dial 666 for Comcast and tell them you want your wife back. They tell you they would like to help but your account is showing a negative $73,000 balance... ...Good news, however! As a one time special favor, if you send them $292 and switch back on a two year contract with free HBO, they'll get the tech to bring your wife back and hook you up at the same time!

"Oh ok, fine, whatever. As long as it's clear I'm not paying a ransom for her. She'll never let me hear the end of it!"

"Of course not! And thank you for doing business with Comcast! Have a Great Day and remember, Death to all non-subscribers!" :)

The cable guy brings your wife back and hooks you up. While on a smoke break, he sets your shed on fire....

You also don't get HBO.

I believe Comcast calls that "Tuesday."
 
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