Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

[Kepler]

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Uh, Bernie would have still lost without superdelegates. Yes, the DNC wanted Hillary, but didn't do anything to interfere with voting. And why wouldn't the DNC favor Hillary? Bernie wasn't even a Democrat until he decided to run for president and be the standard bearer for the party.

(I'm a Bernie supporter by the way)

Likewise, and I agree with all of your points. The DNC played favorites but Bernie ran as an insurgent. Part of being an insurgent is an uphill climb against the status quo.

Trump is such a bad choice it shouldn't even be close, but people like you are going to end up getting him elected because the right has had a hard on for attacking Hillary and you fell for it.

Trump is a terrible choice and it shouldn't be close. We don't know how it will shake out. Obviously the Republican party and their surrogates are going to pound relentlessly on Hillary, though for different reasons. The Republicans want the orange oaf in office so they can return to their pilferage of the public purse. Business-wise, the Echo Chamber wants a Hillary win: attacking her for the next four years will make them ten times as rich.

 

[Rover]

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Gotta hand it to Bernie. He nailed it with a solid endorsement. Aside from a bunch of anarchists who were never going to support the party anyway all the normal Sanders supporters should be on board after that.

Amazing how the Dems compare to the GOP. Dems have sane speakers talking specific policy recommendations. GOP has a herd of knuckledraggers spitting out racism and fascism in every speech...including the nominee.

All you nervous nellies need to calm down after this. Its only Day 1. We've got 3 more days of nailing Trump to the wall.

 

[The Rube]

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Come on dude you're smarter than this. There's nothing that's been presented that indicates he was railroaded and you're only supporting that argument by failing to post a single comment (although several would be preferred) from any link that explains why that statement is true. For someone that states you have no rooting interest in Trump I'm not seeing anything from you that suggests anything but.

Trump should be nowhere near the White House. Don't know how many more times I have to say that.

You are making sound like either/or. Saw this on FB:

Do you want to put a cat into a blender or microwave? What do you mean neither? That's not a choice.

Same thing here.

 

[Kepler]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Gotta hand it to Bernie. He nailed it with a solid endorsement. Aside from a bunch of anarchists who were never going to support the party anyway all the normal Sanders supporters should be on board after that.

Amazing how the Dems compare to the GOP. Dems have sane speakers talking specific policy recommendations. GOP has a herd of knuckledraggers spitting out racism and fascism in every speech...including the nominee.

All you nervous nellies need to calm down after this. Its only Day 1. We've got 3 more days of nailing Trump to the wall.

It would help your effectiveness if you didn't dismiss as "nervous nellies" those of us who think the election is not a walk-over. We understand the demographics and the recent history of us having a home field advantage during on-cycle years.

Since you are so confident, perhaps move the goalposts a little and declare as "success" not merely winning but expanding the blue map. Take as your goal Hillary getting more EV than Obama 2008 (365), or retaking the Senate, or adding Dem House seats to cut the GOP lead in half (Dems need 218 for a majority, currently have 188, cutting the lead in half would be 203).

I also sometimes demean opponents when I am not careful, and it's not attractive. Nor is it productive when today's opponent is tomorrow's ally.

 

[BassAle]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Clinton is what they think is wrong with America, why wouldn't they boo.?

Nate Silver was on the convention floor and didn't even know the booing was being played up so much. From his perspective, there were very few people booing and he thought maybe the media was playing it up with strategically placed microphones near some of the more vocal "bernie or bust" delegations, and that the reporting of dissent was overblown.

 

[Kepler]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

It would be ironic and more than a little satisfying if the GOP strategy of fear mongering bit them in the arse, with a difference-making number of voters being motivated to get out and vote blue by cold hard fear of what a Trump presidency could mean.

Frank Luntz made a fortune the last 30 years advising the GOP to frame elections (and policy) on fear and emotion rather than facts and reason. Whether or not conservatives are more susceptible to a worldview based on fear, conservative pundits and politicians sure think so and have built a "fear stable" where they inject their followers daily with a few new fears (disease of the month, conspiracy of the hour...) and a few old favorites (the blacks are coming for your white virginal daughters, scientists are frauds paid by George Soros to sabotage the work of our humanitarian business leaders, the Mexicans are coming for your white virginal daughters which is going to cause some logistics issues with the blacks...).

It's entirely possible some of those voters, already primed to jump from their own shadow, are going to meltdown over Trump's actual risk, and be trans voters in election day.

I don't think it's going to get unreliable Dems to the polls, though. My God, if fear worked on them it would have in 2004. Those folks have to fall in love.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Clinton is what they think is wrong with America, why wouldn't they boo.? If you think its bad now wait till Wiki releases some more Emails

LOL. Clinton isn't what's wrong with America. America being an Oligarchy is what's wrong with America.

 

[BassAle]

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Trump should be nowhere near the White House. Don't know how many more times I have to say that.

You are making sound like either/or. Saw this on FB:

Do you want to put a cat into a blender or microwave? What do you mean neither? That's not a choice.

Same thing here.

No it isn't.

The thing is Hillary isn't putting the cat in the blender or microwave. Hillary is a reasonably competent candidate, who I trust infinitely more to make court appointments, select cabinet members, set policy, veto laws passed by the Republican nut-jobs in congress, and represent our country to the world than Donald Trump. She has some baggage. But she isn't a threat to our country and the constitution the way Trump is. I think she'll do a fine job, if the Republicans can stop with their insane obsession over digging into every detail of her life and career trying to find _SOMETHING_ they can use to their advantage.

 

[Kepler]

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The Republicans opposed Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Bill, Gore, Kerry, Obama, and Hillary because if they got into office they would do Democratic things.

The Democrats opposed Reagan, Bush Sr., Dole, Dubya, McCain and Romney because if they got into office they would do Republican things.

But we oppose Trump because if he gets into office he brags he will do Anti-American things: ignore, abandon or blackmail our allies; start trade wars; threaten actual wars; track, round up and/or deport religious and ethnic minorities; sue or imprison journalists and political opponents; tacitly encourage street violence by his supporters; order our military and intelligence services to commit war crimes; Jesus H. (thank you) Tap Dancing Christ why is this even a list? Any one of these things should DQ him.

Everybody should oppose Trump. The uniform color he's wearing is irrelevant -- something he himself has said. He is aiming to govern as an autocrat and the best argument I've heard for him so far is "the Constitution is strong enough that we can stop him." That's an argument for him? How about this: let's stop him by sending him back to 725 5th Ave.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The Republicans opposed Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Bill, Gore, Kerry, Obama, and Hillary because if they got into office they would do Democratic things.

The Democrats opposed Reagan, Bush Sr., Dole, Dubya, McCain and Romney because if they got into office they would do Republican things.

But we oppose Trump because if he gets into office he brags he will Anti-American things: ignore, abandon or blackmail our allies; start trade wars; threaten actual wars; track, round up and/or deport religious and ethnic minorities; sue or imprison journalists and political opponents; tacitly encourage street violence by his supporters; order the military to commit war crimes; Jesus H. (thank you) Tap Dancing Christ why is this even a list? Any one of these things should DQ him.

Everybody should oppose Trump. The uniform color he's wearing is irrelevant -- something he himself has said. He is aiming to govern as an autocrat and the best argument I've heard for him so far is "the Constitution is strong enough that we can stop him." That's an argument for him? How about this: let's stop him by sending him back to 725 5th Ave.

Yet overwhelmingly white males will vote for the Orange Baboon. What does that say?

 

[Kepler]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Yet overwhelmingly white males will vote for the Orange Baboon. What does that say?

"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

Not privilege. They're just the only group that can't make a discrimination claim. Pretty pathetic if that's what they love so much they can't let it go.

 

[Scarlet]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Saw this on Facebook today. But seriously folks, he's such a good man!!!!!! Look at all the good he's done!!!!

 

[Kepler]

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Not privilege. They're just the only group that can't make a discrimination claim. Pretty pathetic if that's what they love so much they can't let it go.

White males are 31% of the US population.

We are 80% of Congress. We have been 98% of all the Presidents, Congressmen, Senators and SCOTUS judges in history.

Truly, we have been America's Greatest Disadvantaged Group. When will someone speak for us? When will we find a voice to cut through the maelstrom against us?!

 

[Kepler]

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Bernie sends his donors a letter every day.

This is today's letter:

Dear (OMG it's my name, Bernie knows me personally!!!),

Our campaign has always been about a grassroots movement of Americans standing up and saying: "Enough is enough. This country and our government belong to all of us, not just a handful of billionaires."

I just finished speaking at the Democratic National Convention, where I addressed the historic nature of our grassroots movement and what's next for our political revolution.

I hope that I made you proud. I know that Jane and I are very proud of you.

Our work will continue in the form of a new group called Our Revolution. The goal of this organization will be no different from the goal of our campaign: we must transform American politics to make our political and economic systems once again responsive to the needs of working families.

We cannot do this alone. All of us must be a part of Our Revolution.

Join Our Revolution and help continue our critical work to create a government which represents all of us, and not just the 1 percent – a government based on the principles of economic, social, racial and environmental justice. Add your name here.

When we started this campaign a little more than a year ago, the media and the political establishment considered us to be a "fringe" campaign. Well, we're not fringe anymore.

Thanks to your tireless work and generous contributions, we won 23 primaries and caucuses with more than 13 million votes, all of which led to the 1900 delegates we have on the floor this week at the Democratic convention.

What we have done together is absolutely unprecedented, but there is so much more to do. It starts with defeating Donald Trump in November, and then continuing to fight for every single one of our issues in order to transform America.

We are going to fight to make sure that the most progressive platform in the history of the Democratic Party becomes law. This means working for a $15 federal minimum wage, fighting for a national fracking ban, and so many more progressive priorities.

The political revolution needs you in order to make all this happen and more.

Add your name to say that you will join Our Revolution and be part of the fight for our progressive vision for America.

Thank you for being a part of the continued political revolution.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

 

[French Rage]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

Also something not being pointed out on the majors: apparently the crowds and energy in Philadelphia are enormous compared to Cleveland. Cleveland apparently felt staid and inert while Philly is electric.

I did notice from the wide shots that Philly seems consistently more crowded, and even when crowded it looks more like it's bursting into every open spot rather than just technically crowded.

 

[Rover]

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Since you are so confident, perhaps move the goalposts a little and declare as "success" not merely winning but expanding the blue map. Take as your goal Hillary getting more EV than Obama 2008 (365), or retaking the Senate, or adding Dem House seats to cut the GOP lead in half (Dems need 218 for a majority, currently have 188, cutting the lead in half would be 203).

I also sometimes demean opponents when I am not careful, and it's not attractive. Nor is it productive when today's opponent is tomorrow's ally.

Kep, no offense but your premise is ridiculous. I define "success" as winning 270 electoral votes, and therefore the WH and most likely the Senate. Everything else is gravy. And you're accusing me of getting ahead of myself.

So, in terms of winning, here's how I see it. Too many simpletons cling to the notion that "Ohhh...Donald Trump shouldn't even be this close." That statement is the mantra for the stupid and the Beltway pundit, which I realize is a redundant term. A potted plant in either party will win 45% of the vote. If Hillary holds Trump to that 45% and she gets into the low 50's that's a blowout in this day and age, and the GOP will struggle mightily to hold onto the House while losing up to 7 Senate seats (IL, WI, PA, NH, FL, OH, and take your pick of one of the rest). This will happen if the Sanders supporters come on board for the most part.

A conventional win is the Obama 2012 margin. In this case it would be a 50-47% win with the 3rd partiers taking 3%. Win the 4 easiest seats to flip (IL, WA, PA, NH) and maybe FL while the longer term incumbent GOP senators hang on (think Portman). Dems take back 15-20 House seats in Dem districts on Presidential level.

A disappointing win would be a 1% squeaker while being held under 50%. Like a 48-47 with Libs and Greens taking 5% or more. I can't see anything saving Kirk, Johnson or Ayotte but Toomey may hang on in that case. That would make for a lot more gridlock.

Trump has the same problem Mondale had. In the days after his convention the best he could do is pull even. What's going to happen to him when he gets the sh it kicked out of him for 3 more days and two of the most popular pols alive (Obama and Clinton) speak on her behalf?

 

[cF[Authentic]]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

I'm curious if you guys will have any c*m left after this four day circle jerk is over.

 

[Rover]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

I'm curious if you guys will have any c*m left after this four day circle jerk is over.

Is this question often on your mind?

 

[Handyman]

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

The Republicans opposed Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Bill, Gore, Kerry, Obama, and Hillary because if they got into office they would do Democratic things.

The Democrats opposed Reagan, Bush Sr., Dole, Dubya, McCain and Romney because if they got into office they would do Republican things.

But we oppose Trump because if he gets into office he brags he will do Anti-American things: ignore, abandon or blackmail our allies; start trade wars; threaten actual wars; track, round up and/or deport religious and ethnic minorities; sue or imprison journalists and political opponents; tacitly encourage street violence by his supporters; order our military and intelligence services to commit war crimes; Jesus H. (thank you) Tap Dancing Christ why is this even a list? Any one of these things should DQ him.

Everybody should oppose Trump. The uniform color he's wearing is irrelevant -- something he himself has said. He is aiming to govern as an autocrat and the best argument I've heard for him so far is "the Constitution is strong enough that we can stop him." That's an argument for him? How about this: let's stop him by sending him back to 725 5th Ave.

Bingo. This isnt a Blue/Red thing, if Trump ran as a Democrat my feelings of him would be the same. As I said a few days ago he is what would happen if McCarthy (with MacArthur as his Military Leader) had a billion dollars and became the President.

It never ceases to amaze me though, the people that love America so much and want it to be great are willing to do the least American things to get there. Japanese Internment, destroying the lives of "Communists", Jim Crow, and now the idea of a Muslim registry. (which he has said he wants to do publicly...apparently lists are good when they dont involve guns) We look back and mock the acts and pretend like that could never happen again but here we are.