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Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was In)

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As an Indiana resident I am thrilled Pence was selected to be Trump's running mate...
 
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I expect better out of Colbert...he is too soft these days.
 
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Bernie did make a difference.

Hillary Clinton announced on Saturday that she would introduce a constitutional amendment within the first 30 days of her presidency to overturn the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision, which paved the way for unlimited corporate, union and individual spending on elections.
 
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It's a shame the Democratic party leaders did not understand sooner what their counterparts in the Republican party quietly accepted, enabled and in some case promoted. The party rank-and-file was much more ready and willing to accept the "radical" agenda that Sanders was promoting (as I suspect much of the American public is -- not enough -- but much).

With every ridiculous, racist, isolationist, or misogynistic statement Trump made, his popularity among people voting in the Republican primaries increased and his hold on the nomination strengthened. There is no way a candidate who said about John McCain what Trump did in past primary cycles would have survived. The party establishment would have spoken loudly about Trump's need to withdraw and would have made it clear that were he to remain in the race he would have the nomination stripped at the convention. But the party realized a huge swath of Republican voters not only tolerated what he was saying, they AGREED with it. So they let him be and quietly made it clear that were he to "earn" enough delegates, he would be their standard bearer come the conventions.

Had the Democratic Party establishment recognized Sanders' staying power early on he may very well have won the nomination. Had he received labor union support in Iowa he would have run away and hid with an Iowa caucus win. I know, I was on the ground there in the days and weeks leading up to his virtual tie. My colleagues and I talked with 1000s and 1000s of union members and the support for Clinton was tepid at best but the refrain was always she was mainstream and could win. They were itching for someone to support that they believed truly had their backs. But by encouraging establishment support and anointing Clinton as the de-facto winner, the party's normal allies never took a closer look and tried to ascertain where their support would have done their interests the most good.

I agree completely that the Sanders campaign made a difference in where Hillary will run on a number of issues this fall, but in my opinion the party would have been better off with the real thing. If the party possessed the proper foresight, running against someone like Trump should have been a dream come true. Yes, I am on record as saying that the country is full of brain-dead morons who have an orgasm every time Trump outdoes himself with some vile statement about Muslims or Mexicans, but I doubt it's more than half the electorate. A worthy opponent to Trump and we'd have likely seen an electoral college landslide that would have made Reagan, Nixon or LBJ jealous.

This election and my worries, some rational, some perhaps not, is actually starting to depress me.
 
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Politics

Is is D.O.A. Has 0 chance on getting 2/3 approval.

Agreed and somewhat unnecessary. I'd thought about this avenue as well, as in keep the amendment simple. It would be one sentence. States and the federal government have the right to regulate who can contribute and how much they can give in an election cycle.

But, beyond that, one more SCOTUS gets Citizens United overturned (presumably). All she needs to do is get that justice confirmed and then have someone file a lawsuit that goes up to the court. Much easier relatively speaking than getting an amendment enacted.
 
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It's a shame the Democratic party leaders did not understand sooner what their counterparts in the Republican party quietly accepted, enabled and in some case promoted. The party rank-and-file was much more ready and willing to accept the "radical" agenda that Sanders was promoting (as I suspect much of the American public is -- not enough -- but much).

With every ridiculous, racist, isolationist, or misogynistic statement Trump made, his popularity among people voting in the Republican primaries increased and his hold on the nomination strengthened. There is no way a candidate who said about John McCain what Trump did in past primary cycles would have survived. The party establishment would have spoken loudly about Trump's need to withdraw and would have made it clear that were he to remain in the race he would have the nomination stripped at the convention. But the party realized a huge swath of Republican voters not only tolerated what he was saying, they AGREED with it. So they let him be and quietly made it clear that were he to "earn" enough delegates, he would be their standard bearer come the conventions.

Had the Democratic Party establishment recognized Sanders' staying power early on he may very well have won the nomination. Had he received labor union support in Iowa he would have run away and hid with an Iowa caucus win. I know, I was on the ground there in the days and weeks leading up to his virtual tie. My colleagues and I talked with 1000s and 1000s of union members and the support for Clinton was tepid at best but the refrain was always she was mainstream and could win. They were itching for someone to support that they believed truly had their backs. But by encouraging establishment support and anointing Clinton as the de-facto winner, the party's normal allies never took a closer look and tried to ascertain where their support would have done their interests the most good.

I agree completely that the Sanders campaign made a difference in where Hillary will run on a number of issues this fall, but in my opinion the party would have been better off with the real thing. If the party possessed the proper foresight, running against someone like Trump should have been a dream come true. Yes, I am on record as saying that the country is full of brain-dead morons who have an orgasm every time Trump outdoes himself with some vile statement about Muslims or Mexicans, but I doubt it's more than half the electorate. A worthy opponent to Trump and we'd have likely seen an electoral college landslide that would have made Reagan, Nixon or LBJ jealous.

This election and my worries, some rational, some perhaps not, is actually starting to depress me.

None of this is very likely. Sanders had a two huge problems from day one that have nothing to do with "The Establishment" or anything else. 1) He had extremely limited appeal amongst non-white voters, rightly or wrongly, that crippled his candidacy. Did he win ANY primaries in diverse states? Having no ability to win over this key part of the Dem coalition most likely disqualifies you to be the nominee. 2) He never managed to come to terms with the legacy of the Obama Presidency. If the country is in such dire shape, that would either make Obama a sell out or a weakling. Given the President's popularity amongst the base, the "Bernie is the Messiah that we need" angle was a tough sell.

Simply put, he lost the primaries because voters preferred Hillary over him. Its not any more complicated than that. I don't know how he would have run against Trump but its a speculation we need not waste time on.
 
Agreed and somewhat unnecessary. I'd thought about this avenue as well, as in keep the amendment simple. It would be one sentence. States and the federal government have the right to regulate who can contribute and how much they can give in an election cycle.

But, beyond that, one more SCOTUS gets Citizens United overturned (presumably). All she needs to do is get that justice confirmed and then have someone file a lawsuit that goes up to the court. Much easier relatively speaking than getting an amendment enacted.

Roe and PPACA haven't been overturned. What makes Citizens different?
 
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Simply put, he lost the primaries because voters preferred Hillary over him. Its not any more complicated than that. I don't know how he would have run against Trump but its a speculation we need not waste time on.

Of course it is is as simple as voters preferred Hillary. But all things can be boiled down to their particular level of "simply put." The chocolate chip cookies my mom baked were, simply put, far better than anything that ever came out of a Chips Ahoy bag. But why were they? Voters preferred Hillary at least in part because that is the narrative the democratic party has been pushing since before Sanders announced his intention to seek the nomination. It was a drumbeat of inevitability that wore down opposition to her before the race began. I have been involved in labor for over 3 decades now and I know what I am talking about when I say the labor vote was itching for a candidate who actually supported some of their goals with more than the fact he or she was a Democrat. Again, his lack of traction among minorities was part of the narrative from the word go. It was among the first things written about him in the early days of his candidacy. Now we'll never know if it was an insurmountable hurdle.

Speculation now about how he would have done against Trump probably is a waste of time, but so is most political speculation. Its a spectator sport though, isn't it? FWIW many polls throughout the primary process had Sanders faring better against Trump than Clinton. But then again, Republican polls showed Kasich faring best among the Republicans running in fictional matchups against a Democratic candidate.
 
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Politics

Is is D.O.A. Has 0 chance on getting 2/3 approval.

The ruling class has worked tirelessly for 40 years to ingrain this very message in the heads of the Very Serious People. When smart people say this, rather than actually look at the proposal and argue about it on the merits, the status quo remains unchanged and the 1% gets their policy preferences while the 99% is disenfranchised. And gets angrier.

We have been trained to shrug our shoulders and say "we will never get a fair hearing" by people who understand that if the government starts being truly determined by popular will, many things will change. This is a deliberate strategy to maintain oligarchy despite pro forma democratic institutions.

My advice is we evaluate ideas based on their effect. We have no idea what is possible, but starting with a defeatist attitude ensures nothing will change. So sure, say it... if you're 100% happy with the way things are today.
 
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