Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Colin Powell, who used his own email server? that Colin Powell?

1. I have a problem with private email for public business.
2. As long as he didn't run classified through it, and can prove it, all I can do is grouse ... see item 1.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Cause she doesn't have to?

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? You haven't even got her charged with a crime yet.

Don't you know those things are selectively enforced?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Is that part of NWA? NWO? I get those two confused all the time.

What, y'all going to create another slanderous thread with my name on it, and then move what I say there as even more slander?

Plus, Messina went last year. Hillary will win, and it will be a "rigged" election.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

What, y'all going to create another slanderous thread with my name on it, and then move what I say there as even more slander?

Plus, Messina went last year. Hillary will win, and it will be a "rigged" election.

It's only slanderous if it's not true. That thread's not slanderous.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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The REAL reason why we need secure borders. If it can happen on the Moldava-Ukraine border, it is for sure happening here.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/ukraine-border-guards-discover-bootleg-alcohol-pipeline-1.2934875

That is child's play compared to what the Sinaloa cartel smuggles in on a daily basis, and how they do it.

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

1. I have a problem with private email for public business.
2. As long as he didn't run classified through it, and can prove it, all I can do is grouse ... see item 1.

Why would he have to "prove" anything. That's not how our system works. For him, and for Hillary.

Now answer the question: What should happen to you if you had sent an email during your service, that wasn't classified when you sent it, but then at some later point, was deemed classified?

Cause you seem to have side-stepped that question entirely, in your moral outrage.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Why would he have to "prove" anything. That's not how our system works. For him, and for Hillary.

Now answer the question: What should happen to you if you had sent an email during your service, that wasn't classified when you sent it, but then at some later point, was deemed classified?

Cause you seem to have side-stepped that question entirely, in your moral outrage.

As a government employee, SecState is subject to audit and FOIA and what those may find. There's no "prove" in that. (I probably should have used the word "show" as in the audit findings show ... )

The answer to your question of what would happen to me is "nothing". Why? Because I'm smart enough to not be using personal email for government business.

 

[joecct]

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How many crumbs does the HRC campaign throw to Bernie on the platform and at the convention?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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How many crumbs does the HRC campaign throw to Bernie on the platform and at the convention?

Enough to get their votes come first Tuesday after first Monday in November.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

How many crumbs does the HRC campaign throw to Bernie on the platform and at the convention?

They're be just enough crumbs to combine into a nugget. Shrill sees herself as the winner, rightly, and won't concede very much because of that, thinking that the party is now unified behind her (wrongly).

 

[Rover]

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How many crumbs does the HRC campaign throw to Bernie on the platform and at the convention?

Depends on how much Lizzy Warren is on board. If she's all in, Bernie just lost a lot of leverage. If she's not then he gets to make more demands that you'd normally expect of a runner up.

But, I can see $15 minimum wage and universal care being part of the official platform. Something about reforming the Dems primary as well although a lot of that is up to the states. Could also see a transactions tax included as well.

 

[aparch]

I can only go with what 150 (Obama administration) FBI agents are finding.

I find it hard to believe that the FBI has turnover that great that the Obama administration has been able to plant their people in key hiring and management roles within the last seven years to influence the hiring of the agents. Let alone devoting 150 agents to research a goddammed Linux e-mail server and a POP email address.

 

[Kepler]

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Regarding Hillary & Sanders, the fact that there is one last primary after tonight (DC next Tuesday) give the perfect amount of time for a cooling off period. I don't expect Sanders to concede tonight or tomorrow. He may still put out defiant statements. No need to get into a back and forth with the man. Here's how I'd like to see this play out:

1) Hillary declares victory tonight, makes note of historic aspect of her candidacy, thanks Sanders for pushing the envelope and rips Trump a new one once again. Nothing about how Sanders should quit immediately, but a blurb about party unity will be nice. Also mention that DC deserves the right to have their voices heard/

2) Hillary lines up all Super Delegates, including some who are already pledged to Sanders. This snuffs out any notion of getting Supers to switch to Sanders.

3) Get endorsements planned and rolled out in an orderly fashion. #1 is Obama. #2 is Warren. I'd also have them announce either this week or maybe after DC is done.

Sanders can figure out his own endgame, but if you have Warren's endorsement in your corner as well as all Supers accounted for he has no avenue for mayhem. Let him write the party platform if that keeps him happy. He's earned that much.

I agree with all of this. The time for infighting is done now. We are now all training our guns on Piggy and the Stooges.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I find it hard to believe that the FBI has turnover that great that the Obama administration has been able to plant their people in key hiring and management roles within the last seven years to influence the hiring of the agents. Let alone devoting 150 agents to research a goddammed Linux e-mail server and a POP email address.

I say "Obama administration" because as chief law enforcement officer, the President could "adjust" this investigation.

And it wasn't 150. Just 147. And then 50. (Sounds like government in action ... )

 

[unofan]

They're be just enough crumbs to combine into a nugget. Shrill sees herself as the winner, rightly, and won't concede very much because of that, thinking that the party is now unified behind her (wrongly).

Obama will officially endorse her tomorrow once she clinches the pledged delegate majority. The Bernie bros. will fall inline at that point.

 

[Kepler]

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If Mrs. Clinton has no email problem, why doesn't she do what the Minneapolis Star-Tribune has asked her to do?

Because that's not how this works. Not going out of your way to assist a witch hunt has no bearing on guilty or innocence. That went out with "people who have nothing to hide waive their right to a lawyer."

Server Quest is a political maneuver. Her only obligation is to be legally compliant.

 

[Rover]

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I say "Obama administration" because as chief law enforcement officer, the President could "adjust" this investigation.

And it wasn't 150. Just 147. And then 50. (Sounds like government in action ... )

Sounds like a right wing talking point that got debunked!

 

[Kepler]

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And it wasn't 150. Just 147. And then 50. (Sounds like government in action ... )

So the initial inflation of the number for sensationalism purposes is the government's fault?

BTW, the estimate is now "fewer than 50." 1 is fewer than 50.

 

[St. Clown]

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Obama will officially endorse her tomorrow once she clinches the pledged delegate majority. The Bernie bros. will fall inline at that point.

Having the support of the high-level officials in the party is one thing, having the support of your base at the polls is another. She's going to win in November, but it's going to be a much tighter race than it should be otherwise.

 

[Rover]

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So the initial inflation of the number for sensationalism purposes is the government's fault?

BTW, the estimate is now "fewer than 50." 1 is fewer than 50.

I'm just glad Sic wasn't in charge of nuclear secrets during the Cold War. We'd all be speaking Russian right now.

Having the support of the high-level officials in the party is one thing, having the support of your base at the polls is another. She's going to win in November, but it's going to be a much tighter race than it should be otherwise.

I don't think so. Hillary kicked him in the balls with that foreign policy speech and he had no response. That's not a good sign for his campaign and there's going to be a lot more where that came from. He could be looking at a 2008 type a sskicking.