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Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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Why'd the AP choose last night to "call" the Democrat endorsement for Mrs. Clinton? Is there anything special going on today?...
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Why'd the AP choose last night to "call" the Democrat endorsement for Mrs. Clinton? Is there anything special going on today?...

She officially hit the delegate count required to give her the majority come convention time.
 
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1) Translation: you're busted and you know it!
2) So the Post was calling for criminal charges? Have to say I missed that. Keep trying Joe, and I'm sorry about that hit piece Edward R Murrow did on you back in the day. :D

1. How can I report on information that is classified or has been redacted? I can only go with what 150 (Obama administration) FBI agents are finding.
2. Post? Star-Tribune. ... Reading difficulties?
 
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She officially hit the delegate count required to give her the majority come convention time.

With no primaries last night?

The AP re-surveyed super-delegates* and found the total ... mysteriously just before the CA primary.

I'm not a big fan of Bernie Sanders, but it seems he's getting jobbed by his party. No ... wait ... he's not a D; he just caucuses with them.


*Do they have a Hall of Delegates? ... "Mean-whi-i-i-ile, in the Hall of Delegates ... "
 
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How is he "getting jobbed"? The superdelegates are part of the process. Like them or not, they were there going into the primaries, they were not suddenly thrown on everyone at the last second. So if your total includes them, it can move around at times based on when they decide. In this case, perhaps they felt the numbers were solid enough that Hillary would clinch pledged delegates today and felt it was an opportune time to jump in. That's their prerogative and within their rights.

Of course, having the total you look at be the total number of delegates is not the best idea, since as mentioned the superdelegates can decide and undecide whenever they want to, so reaching half of the total is not written in stone. But all of this is how this system is designing to work. Yes, Bernie has done much better than everyone thought, congrats to him on that; but in the end Hillary will have won more states, more votes, and most importantly the majority of pledged delegates, and as a result she will win. No one is getting screwed here, at least not anyone who bothered to know the rules going on.

If they don't like those rules, they are welcome to stick around and add their input and change the process. The plus side of actually sticking around also means they might actually vote come mid-term time, which if they want any of their plans to ever come to fruition will be necessary, since it turns out having state legislatures and Congress on your side too is pretty important towards getting legislation passed, not just voting for one guy/gal every four years.
 
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I misspoke.
Bernie got jobbed by the AP choosing what, how, and when they reported.

As you say, those super-delegates could turn tail ... and vote for the Biden/Warren ticket at the convention. :D
 
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Godd*mn, are the Bern-outs are getting shriller than the Queen herself, or is it just me?
 
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I misspoke.
Bernie got jobbed by the AP choosing what, how, and when they reported.

As you say, those super-delegates could turn tail ... and vote for the Biden/Warren ticket at the convention. :D

They very well could. Ultimately, though, I don't think the AP and news outlets choosing the total count was intended to job anyone, it was because they in the 24-hour news world they need SOMETHING to report, so for them this'll do. By tonight it'll all be moot anyways.
 
That is not classified national security information. That's what someone's SSN or mortgage payment is.

I hope you're not thinking national intelligence sources and methods are comparable to someone getting a low, low introductory APR under 3%.

I hope you're not using the argument that only someone with double secret clearance is qualified to discuss this situation. Because then the whole point of this message board is moot except for the 1/10th of one percent of us who played college hockey at some point.
 
With no primaries last night?

The AP re-surveyed super-delegates* and found the total ... mysteriously just before the CA primary.

I'm not a big fan of Bernie Sanders, but it seems he's getting jobbed by his party. No ... wait ... he's not a D; he just caucuses with them.


*Do they have a Hall of Delegates? ... "Mean-whi-i-i-ile, in the Hall of Delegates ... "

Bernie is getting screwed on the votes as much as the Donald was: he's not. In fact, both benefited from their respective systems. The Donald racked up huge delegate counts with pluralities thanks to winner take all states. Bernie has stayed close because the dems don't do winner take all.

Bernie could win the remaining states by 40 points, and Hillary would still clinch the pledged delegate count.
 
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Sigh.

Listen, I am NOT calling you sexist because you're just the messenger about this book, but the whole "woman in power is a b-tch" thing is such played-out 1970's sexism. Nobody cares if a guy curses and yells, but when it's a woman it's somehow related to her effectiveness as a leader?
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Sigh.

Listen, I am NOT calling you sexist because you're just the messenger about this book, but the whole "woman in power is a b-tch" thing is such played-out 1970's sexism. Nobody cares if a guy curses and yells, but when it's a woman it's somehow related to her effectiveness as a leader?

Somebody needs to write the TIAB* book then. :D


*TIAB - Trump is a < bleep >
 
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I hope you're not using the argument that only someone with double secret clearance is qualified to discuss this situation. Because then the whole point of this message board is moot except for the 1/10th of one percent of us who played college hockey at some point.

That's not what I said. I said I would have gone to jail for using a personal email for classified information. And I would have.
 
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They very well could. Ultimately, though, I don't think the AP and news outlets choosing the total count was intended to job anyone, it was because they in the 24-hour news world they need SOMETHING to report, so for them this'll do. By tonight it'll all be moot anyways.

But they're not actually supposed to report the superdelegates at all. The DNC even told them not to.
 
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Ah yes, coronation mode. Check.

One thing that really surprised me is how in the tank for Hillary MSNBC was. I expected them to at least be even or even lean towards Bernie. I'd like to read the book that gets written someday about what happened there. was it the preponderance of the preference of the on-air personalities, or a tactical decision by the business unit?
 
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Godd*mn, are the Bern-outs are getting shriller than the Queen herself, or is it just me?

It's a narrative the media is going with because they realize they lose their LOLBernie toy tonight around 11 pm.

The Bernie supporters did have our freak-out, but it was when OH didn't turn out to be MI 2.0. That was the night those of us who understand math knew it was impossible, and also when the Hillary people started to really lean hard on Bernie to scram. The adults demurred to comment (what was there to say?) and the masses went apesh-t for a few weeks and started comparing Hillary to {YOUR DICTATOR HERE}.

The press is always weeks behind what's really going on, so it's only now that they are running those stories. The DK cray spiked about 2 weeks ago. Most of us (on both sides) have moved on and started the U.N.I.T.Y. effort.
 
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One thing that really surprised me is how in the tank for Hillary MSNBC was.

MSNBC, no matter what it says or claims, is still corporate, liberal-elite establishment corporate, but corporate. And Mrs. Clinton is that demographic's candidate.

Now, if there was MSLLNCA* Bernie'd be their guy.


*MS-Local Late-Night Cable Access
 
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MSNBC, no matter what it says or claims, is still corporate, liberal-elite establishment corporate, but corporate. And Mrs. Clinton is that demographic's candidate.

I so do not want to believe this about Rachel. She's always been my "if you had to be born a chick and Martha Nussbaum is taken." :(

But I grieve that you are 100% spot on.
 
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