Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

No it didnt. Keep on trying to justify selling out though you and Rover look as loony as the righties you mock Telling people to "Vote for Candidate X because they arent Candidate Y" sounds awfully like the GOP mantra of voting against all things Obama. Good work Loonies!!

Keep on blaming the failure of the Dem candidates on everyone but the Dems and their candidates...its a bold strategy! It wasnt Kerry's fault he lost it is the people who refused to vote for him because he was a two faced, weak kneed weasel! It wasnt Gore's fault he lost it was the people who didnt find him to be liberal or honest and questioned his ability to lead. (not to mention his support of censorship, his distancing himself from Clinton and his inability to even carry his home state)

You guys probably think speaking of a no hitter actually prevents no hitters dont you

I used to think that way. Then I grew up and realized that the US only offers two choices. Party A and Party B. The human running matters but not as much as the party they represent. And with the current positions of the two parties their is only one choice for me to make.

Would I like it if the World was like you seem to paint? Sure, absolutely. But that World doesn't exist on this planet. And the wrong World View gave us GW.

 

[Handyman]

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This isn't fair to Handy. There's a big difference between casting a protest vote in a battleground state and pointing out, 18 months out from the election, that the presumptive nominee is weak or even wrong on some critical issues.

Everyone debating this has some portion of the elephant (even Flaggy, who may just be doing a bit, has at least one cogent criticism). Building an election day majority consists of rallying the base and also adding on a few "fellow traveler" fringe groups. Hillary needs Rover and Scooby and Handy and me to win, and I believe that's possible.

While you are right...they arent listening. They are so afraid of the boogeyman they are quitting before the game even starts. Either we all bow before the Cyborg or its our fault if she loses.

BTW this is what Rover has wanted for years, for the Dems to play politics in the same mud the GOP do. The GOP has convinced their base that voting against their nominee is equal to treason and support of terrorism/communism/socialism...etc. Now the likes of Rover have convinced the Windmill Tilters that its either Hillary or Armageddon. Ya gotta do what is righteous...thinking for yourself is no good because they know what is best. It would be interesting if it wasnt so cliche and done better by the Warhawks.

Its all noise I plan to write in John Malkovich and watch as Minnesota goes Blue and the Dems win no matter who they run. Scooby of course will beat his "Walker is gonna win so we better all vote for the Cyborg" mantra and Rover will be measuring his dick against the outcome of the election.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I used to think that way. Then I grew up and realized that the US only offers two choices. Party A and Party B. The human running matters but not as much as the party they represent. And with the current positions of the two parties their is only one choice for me to make.

Would I like it if the World was like you seem to paint? Sure, absolutely. But that World doesn't exist on this planet. And the wrong World View gave us GW.

Then take me up on the bet of where Minnesota's EC votes go. Seriously, name the number, name the odds. Your vote or your worldview means dick here no matter how much you think you see the sky falling. Want to make a difference, move to a battleground state and put your money where your mouth is.

Seriously you and your ilk are turning into the Left's version of Alex Jones.

 

[5mn_Major]

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And who, do you think, is going to enforce said "cooperation"?

And resulting unilateral military actions aren't enforced by us?

Just because they don't make the headlines doesn't mean there are many successful international joint initiatives underway currently. But to constantly be afraid of international cooperation because of how it might go bad sounds like sounds like a defeatist mentality bound to result in a self fulfilling prophecy of failure. Sorry.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Then take me up on the bet of where Minnesota's EC votes go. Seriously, name the number, name the odds. Your vote or your worldview means dick here no matter how much you think you see the sky falling. Want to make a difference, move to a battleground state and put your money where your mouth is.

Seriously you and your ilk are turning into the Left's version of Alex Jones.

LOL

You think I haven't suffered through it when T-PAW was in office? That was enough state suffering for me. Right next door in liberal state Wisconsin they elected Scott Walker 3 times. Don't tell me about how the state is locked down, cause it isn't. There is no such animal. All it would take is one super charisma score Repub to run for office. Hell, we have a Republican House in Minnesota right now.

North Carolina was on my short lists of possible move locations. You couldn't pay me to move there now. That flipped in less than a decade.


Here's a great reason right here.

Former Florida governor Jeb Bush would have authorized the 2003 invasion of Iraq, as his brother and then-president George W. Bush did, he told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly in an interview to be aired Monday.

“I would have [authorized the invasion], and so would have Hillary Clinton, just to remind everybody. And so would almost everybody that was confronted with the intelligence they got,” the likely 2016 presidential contender said.

Hillary Clinton and everyone else was manipulated by the Bush administration into that War. If Al Gore, or Hillary were President I am convinced that War never would have happened. But, good old Jeb needs to back up his brother and perpetuate the lie. A lie exposed over and over again by a comedian cause the real press won't do the job.

 

[Rover]

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BTW this is what Rover has wanted for years, for the Dems to play politics in the same mud the GOP do...

You're d@mn straight that's what I want. Not sure why you think this is a relevation as I'm pretty open about it. Fight fire with fire, etc. Nobody, and I mean nobody, gets credit in politics for taking the high road. Not in today's 24/7 sensational news cycle when the lamestream media gets led around by the nose. See Mike Dukakis or the aforementioned Kerry for proof of that. Not that these guys would have necessarily made good Presidents, but their silence in face of slanderous attacks did zero good.

Not the kind of world I'd ideally like to live in, but its reality. Nobody on the Dem side, not Warren, not Sanders, not Santa Claus, knows this better than Hillary Clinton which is why I'm going to enjoy her people pummeling the sh !t out of the Walkers and Cruzes of the world.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Is the answer Jesus?

I'm guessing your thinking Rumsfeld.

 

[Kepler]

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There was an assignment from some college, can't remember where it was, but it made the rounds on the alternative sites where the student had been failed because she didn't write about why Christianity was so awful because of the repression of women and other factors.

I don't know about this case, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and call it BS.

Christian apologists do not understand how academia works. You can have any opinion you want, and as long as you write logically and cite examples, you'll do fine. They think that because they start from a conclusion and then argue back from it that everybody does. But, indeed, reason is exactly the opposite of that.

It's like when the sheeple (sorry, I'm infringing your copyright) who watch Fox accuse other networks of "bias" because they ignore Fox' fabrications and poutrages. The opposite of a scam isn't an opposing scam.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I don't know about this case, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and call it BS.

Christian apologists do not understand how academia works. You can have any opinion you want, and as long as you write logically and cite examples, you'll do fine. They think that because they start from a conclusion and then argue back from it that everybody does. But, indeed, reason is exactly the opposite of that.

It's like when the sheeple (sorry, I'm infringing your copyright) who watch Fox accuse other networks of "bias" because they ignore Fox' fabrications and poutrages. The opposite of a scam isn't an opposing scam.

Here's the case: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...fusing-to-conform-to-his-anti-christian-bias/

 

[Kepler]

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Not the kind of world I'd ideally like to live in, but its reality. Nobody on the Dem side, not Warren, not Sanders, not Santa Claus, knows this better than Hillary Clinton which is why I'm going to enjoy her people pummeling the sh !t out of the Walkers and Cruzes of the world.

I wonder if there may be an age gap here. Anyone who was alert during the 80s saw how "taking the high road" worked out for the Democrats. Maybe because their politicals came from Ivy League liberal arts curriculums, there was a decade or so when they actually tried to take the high road. Reagan and Bush's people gleefully slit their throats. The Clintons won in 1992 because they fought just as dirty as the GOP, and it was a wonder to watch the Republicans, like bullies in all ages, break into a screaming tantrum the first time they threw a crackback block and William Jefferson responded with brass knuckles below the belt. They were equal parts incredulous and terrified: Democrats were supposed to keep turning the other cheek and losing elections!

 

[French Rage]

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I don't know about this case, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and call it BS.

You never heard the story of Marine Todd?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I wonder if there may be an age gap here. Anyone who was alert during the 80s saw how "taking the high road" worked out for the Democrats. Maybe because their politicals came from Ivy League liberal arts curriculums, there was a decade or so when they actually tried to take the high road. Reagan and Bush's people gleefully slit their throats. The Clintons won in 1992 because they fought just as dirty as the GOP, and it was a wonder to watch the Republicans, like bullies in all ages, break into a screaming tantrum the first time they threw a crackback block and William Jefferson responded with brass knuckles below the belt. They were equal parts incredulous and terrified: Democrats were supposed to keep turning the other cheek and losing elections!

Nah, people just started to forget about Jimmy Carter.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Nah, people just started to forget about Jimmy Carter.

If that's how it works, the Dems should be safe until 2024 at the earliest.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

I wonder if there may be an age gap here. Anyone who was alert during the 80s saw how "taking the high road" worked out for the Democrats. Maybe because their politicals came from Ivy League liberal arts curriculums, there was a decade or so when they actually tried to take the high road. Reagan and Bush's people gleefully slit their throats. The Clintons won in 1992 because they fought just as dirty as the GOP, and it was a wonder to watch the Republicans, like bullies in all ages, break into a screaming tantrum the first time they threw a crackback block and William Jefferson responded with brass knuckles below the belt. They were equal parts incredulous and terrified: Democrats were supposed to keep turning the other cheek and losing elections!

Yeah, I don't know Handy's age, but perhaps he did miss all of that and if so I kinda understand his perspective a little better. Still, he should have remembered when idiot Kerry sat back and expected the media to correctly report his heroic wartime service. As unfortunate as it is, I stand by the statement that no good comes from trying to turn the other cheek in politics.

 

[Handyman]

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LOL

You think I haven't suffered through it when T-PAW was in office? That was enough state suffering for me. Right next door in liberal state Wisconsin they elected Scott Walker 3 times. Don't tell me about how the state is locked down, cause it isn't. There is no such animal. All it would take is one super charisma score Repub to run for office. Hell, we have a Republican House in Minnesota right now.

Sure thing Sancho...give yourself an ulcer over something that wont happen. Maybe one day the sky really will fall and you can tell us how you were finally right. The rest of us in the real world will point and laugh when you pass out from hyperventilating for the next 18 months

 

[Kepler]

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It may be more accurate to say that if a non-Minnesotan Republican presidential nominee is about to carry Minnesota, Minnesota isn't going to make the difference in the election. Same with a Democrat in, say, Georgia.

 

[Handyman]

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1) I am younger than you fogies

2) I saw how badly it worked out for the Dems in the 1980s

3) I also recognize the crapfest that was those candidates which is something you guys seem to forget

You can tell me all you want that fighting dirty would have helped, but Kerry and Dukakis and everyone outside of Clinton still would have lost. Sure they wouldnt have looked so lame, but they still werent going to win for the same reason Mitt was never going to win...

I am not saying acquiesce and go hippy, but you dont get to decry the dirty tactics of one side while doing the same crap. Hypocrisy isnt justified just because you think you are right. Either you have convictions or you dont. Personally I cant plug my nose and vote so I dont. I also have the luxury of living in a state where no one could run on the Dem ticket and they would get our votes in the General. Even if I didnt though I still wouldnt sell out my vote, it just isnt how I roll or how I was taught to respect the process. I would rather vote my conscience and let the chips fall where they may. If the rest of the country is too stupid to not get fleeced then my vote wont matter anyways.

And therein lies the true problem, and the reason this argument does more harm then good. The Dems are spending their time trying to convince a large portion of their base that they are idiots and should buckle under. That may work for the GOP in the rural areas but most of us that dont like Hillary actually have valid reasons behind it and are educated on the matter. Going uber elitist on the bit and not engaging (instead fear mongering and dividing) is not going to get you what you want. All it is going to do is fracture up the party in the same way it has basically destroyed the GOP's coalition. Now for me that is fine, I hate the Democratic Party and really all parties for that matter but for the faithful, all you do is alienate them and force them out.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Sure thing Sancho...give yourself an ulcer over something that wont happen. Maybe one day the sky really will fall and you can tell us how you were finally right. The rest of us in the real world will point and laugh when you pass out from hyperventilating for the next 18 months

If your protest vote is irrelevant then why protest? Nader votes in Florida gave us the worst President in US History and the greatest transfer of Middle Class wealth to Billionaire's in our history. My point still stands. Yes, Hillary may win by 6,984,4523,989 votes in Minnesota but the State House is still Republican, and Walker is still running a liberal state into the ground next door.

You accuse me of tilting at Windmills for not tempting fate? Or is it you just don't want to admit how easily everything can go to hell? It's amazing how folks want to forget the past so they can repeat it over and over and over again.

So, go ahead vote against Hillary if it makes you feel better. In Minnesota you're safe. But, if folks in Florida do it it's GW all over again. Iran here we come.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

It may be more accurate to say that if a non-Minnesotan Republican presidential nominee is about to carry Minnesota, Minnesota isn't going to make the difference in the election. Same with a Democrat in, say, Georgia.

There isnt a non-Minnesota Republican that could get within 3 points of winning even if they bribed everyone in outstate Minnesota. Minneapolis would never divide enough for it to happen. There isnt the numbers it is simple math. Dont buy into Scoobys rhetoric we hear it here every 4 years and it is never in doubt.

 

[Handyman]

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If your protest vote is irrelevant then why protest? Nader votes in Florida gave us the worst President in US History and the greatest transfer of Middle Class wealth to Billionaire's in our history. My point still stands. Yes, Hillary may win by 6,984,4523,989 votes in Minnesota but the State House is still Republican, and Walker is still running a liberal state into the ground next door.

You accuse me of tilting at Windmills for not tempting fate? Or is it you just don't want to admit how easily everything can go to hell? It's amazing how folks want to forget the past so they can repeat it over and over and over again.

You want to talk about state elections that is fine, in that our votes matter. (totally not what we have been discussing, oh and we have a Dem Governor)) The only one forgetting the past is you...in my lifetime Minnesota hasnt voted GOP in the General.

Also remember, many of the Gore votes in Florida, enough to swing it in the crucial counties, went to Pat Buchanan because of the way the ballot was set up. Why is that always left out when you guys talk about the 2000 election? Oh cause it doesnt follow the talking points...my bad