Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

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I'm amused by the double standard amongst political pundits. Rand Paul has a disasterous roll-out, complete with arguing with everybody with the gall to ask him tough questions, and yet that's spun as some sort of good thing that won't come back to bite him I can't image the press Hillary Clinton would get if she pulled that.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm amused by the double standard amongst political pundits. Rand Paul has a disasterous roll-out, complete with arguing with everybody with the gall to ask him tough questions, and yet that's spun as some sort of good thing that won't come back to bite him

I haven't seen this described as anything but a bad start.

Paul needs to stick to the GOP script: keep inside the bubble; only let friendlies interview you. Primary voters overwhelmingly get their opinions from Fox or one of the big hate radio entertainers, so time spent away from them is invisibility anyway.

 

[joecct]

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I haven't seen this described as anything but a bad start.

Paul needs to stick to the GOP script: keep inside the bubble; only let friendlies interview you. Primary voters overwhelmingly get their opinions from Fox or one of the big hate radio entertainers, so time spent away from them is invisibility anyway.

Ditto for Madame Defarge (I like that name!).

 

[Rover]

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I haven't seen this described as anything but a bad start.

Paul needs to stick to the GOP script: keep inside the bubble; only let friendlies interview you. Primary voters overwhelmingly get their opinions from Fox or one of the big hate radio entertainers, so time spent away from them is invisibility anyway.

One thing missing from the Great GOP Hope articles that we see every week (is there any Republican who isn't described as a "rising star") is whether these people can sell themselves nationally. There was a blurb about how Scott Walker has gone dark media wise after some pointed questions. In it was the notion that he won his elections during a GOP wave vs weak opposition, which doesn't necessarily prepare you for the national stage (see Perry, Rick).

Paul has similar issues. Its great to rail about black helicopters and letting states decide whether blacks and women should have the right to vote when talking to the CPAC crowd, but his Savannah Guthrie interview is going to be his new normal so he may as well get used to it.

That's why I'm still liking Calgary Ted for the nomination. There's no nuance in his positions and people, particularly GOP primary voters, like that.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So, was Carly Fiorina horrible at HP or not? Heard her talking this morning and though she admits being fired the way she spins it she was God's gift to HP.

 

[Kepler]

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So, was Carly Fiorina horrible at HP or not? Heard her talking this morning and though she admits being fired the way she spins it she was God's gift to HP.

Any tech executive who fancies themselves a politician is probably terrible at both.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Any tech executive who fancies themselves a politician is probably terrible at both.

Not really. Politics is real everywhere in business and nothing beats a high Charisma score for anything.

 

[Rover]

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So, was Carly Fiorina horrible at HP or not? Heard her talking this morning and though she admits being fired the way she spins it she was God's gift to HP.

She was horrible. Engineered a bad merger. The families of the people who founded the company hated her. The stock plummeted during her tenure and she got fired not very far into her time as CEO. Also notice she never got another job again even though she was fairly young although she has had some health problems so perhaps that factored in. As I said before, the GOP would be better off trotting Meg Whitman out there than Fiorina.

This is amusing, the Marc Rubio bandwagon!

http://politicalwire.com/2015/04/13/why-marco-rubio-may-be-the-gops-strongest-candidate/

 

[Kepler]

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Not really. Politics is real everywhere in business and nothing beats a high Charisma score for anything.

That's true.

 

[Kepler]

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She was horrible. Engineered a bad merger. The families of the people who founded the company hated her. The stock plummeted during her tenure and she got fired not very far into her time as CEO. Also notice she never got another job again even though she was fairly young although she has had some health problems so perhaps that factored in. As I said before, the GOP would be better off trotting Meg Whitman out there than Fiorina.

This is amusing, the Marc Rubio bandwagon!

http://politicalwire.com/2015/04/13/why-marco-rubio-may-be-the-gops-strongest-candidate/

Rubio is a strong establishment candidate for GOPers who have Bush Fatigue.

The "water lunge" is the dumbest thing to injure a candidate since the Dean Scream or Muskie's Tears. Good thing we're deciding the most powerful political office in the world on such vital and relevant information.

 

[Priceless]

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Wayne LaPierre explains what the NRA is looking for in a president:

“I have to tell you, eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough.”

So Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal and Ted Cruz need not apply.

 

[Kepler]

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Today in derp.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - It's never too late to start all over again!

Wayne LaPierre explains what the NRA is looking for in a president:

“I have to tell you, eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough.”

So Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal and Ted Cruz need not apply.

Speaking of which, Marco Rubio applied for the job today.

 

[Rover]

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Rubio is a strong establishment candidate for GOPers who have Bush Fatigue.

The "water lunge" is the dumbest thing to injure a candidate since the Dean Scream or Muskie's Tears. Good thing we're deciding the most powerful political office in the world on such vital and relevant information.

I don't think he's damaged by that. He's damaged by taking positions that the majority of the country doesn't agree with. For example, now that is immigration efforts have fizzled out and he's backpedalled on them, his calling card is opposition to the opening with Cuba....something the American people overwhelmingly agree with the Obama administration on. Basically his base on that is 1) old Cold Warriors, and 2) old Cubans who remember the revolution. Gee, that's the reliable GOP voters anyway. Any plan on reaching outside of the comfort zone?

 

[Kepler]

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I don't think he's damaged by that. He's damaged by taking positions that the majority of the country doesn't agree with. For example, now that is immigration efforts have fizzled out and he's backpedalled on them, his calling card is opposition to the opening with Cuba....something the American people overwhelmingly agree with the Obama administration on. Basically his base on that is 1) old Cold Warriors, and 2) old Cubans who remember the revolution. Gee, that's the reliable GOP voters anyway. Any plan on reaching outside of the comfort zone?

I think his Cuba stance is actually smart. Even though most Americans probably think it's time to normalize, they don't care about it at all. OTOH, the dead enders who want to boil Castro in oil because he nationalized grandpappy's sugar plantation care IN ALL CAPS!!!1 And they have money. He loses virtually nothing by stroking those knucks, and he stands to gain a lot of cash.

 

[Rover]

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I think his Cuba stance is actually smart. Even though most Americans probably think it's time to normalize, they don't care about it at all. OTOH, the dead enders who want to boil Castro in oil because he nationalized grandpappy's sugar plantation care IN ALL CAPS!!!1 And they have money. He loses virtually nothing by stroking those knucks, and he stands to gain a lot of cash.

Kep I appreciate your optimism, but his position is doom even if he miraculously manages to win the nomination. He then has to do a Rand Paul and start explaining himself in interviews, and a position like this labels him as a Conservasaur. Hell, I think even Floridian Hispanics are in favor of normalizing ties as well as younger Cuban-Americans. Mitt Romney wasn't doomed by 47%. He was doomed by taking a host of positions that he couldn't defend that were opposite of where the voters where despite running against an incumbent facing 8% unemployment. Nobody to the left of Bill Kristol wants to restart the Cold War.

 

[joecct]

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I think his Cuba stance is actually smart. Even though most Americans probably think it's time to normalize, they don't care about it at all. OTOH, the dead enders who want to boil Castro in oil because he nationalized grandpappy's sugar plantation care IN ALL CAPS!!!1 And they have money. He loses virtually nothing by stroking those knucks, and he stands to gain a lot of cash.

And perhaps a few more had relatives put up against the wall and shot by Fidel, Raoul or Che. That would tend to make one unappreciative of the current Cuban administration.

 

[Rover]

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And perhaps a few more had relatives put up against the wall and shot by Fidel, Raoul or Che. That would tend to make one unappreciative of the current Cuban administration.

Um, no offense but hasn't Che been dead for like...I don't know 50 years or something? You might want to avoid sliding into Opie territory.

Now I understand the appeal of "lets just wait for the Castros to croak" before re-opening ties, but why not grease the skids a little beforehand instead of dealing with an abrupt change of power most likely due to a death?

 

[joecct]

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Um, no offense but hasn't Che been dead for like...I don't know 50 years or something? You might want to avoid sliding into Opie territory.

Now I understand the appeal of "lets just wait for the Castros to croak" before re-opening ties, but why not grease the skids a little beforehand instead of dealing with an abrupt change of power most likely due to a death?

40 something. But the fact that grandpa (great grandpa?) was shot by the revolution is a factor.

 

[Priceless]

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40 something. But the fact that grandpa (great grandpa?) was shot by the revolution is a factor.

So I'm justified to hate the southern states because my great-great uncle was killed at Antietam...