Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

This is awesome.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...mp-wont-attend-next-g-o-p-debate-on-fox-news/

And, yes, true. Kasich and Ryan look moderate. They're not. They're right wingers all the way.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

And, much like Scooby, you are only partially right Your Faux News like scare tactics dont work on the people who know how the Electoral College works

But I have gone on record as saying...if there is any indication that Minnesota might flip (there isnt and it wont but still) I will sell out and vote for The Shrill. Nothing short of her being Indicted as The October Surprise will make that happen though.

You should still vote for her. This is a weird election cycle. GOP is showing up in droves and DFL turnout was much lower. If enough people stay home, we'll all be saying "Heil, Drumpf"

Not worth it to save yourself 30 minutes.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Kasich does not. In comparison to the Clown Show he seems moderate and even like the smart choice...he really isnt one. Paul Ryan showed his colors last election the guy is not a winnable candidate.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/enten-datalab-cruz-1.png?w=575

I wish 538 would update this with every candidate and member of the senate and congress.

I think a lot of independents are very turned off by Cruz and Trump. Independents are far, far more likely to split the vote if it's Hillary and Kasich.

Kasich may not always vote moderate, but he is a moderate. Everything is relative.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

You should still vote for her. This is a weird election cycle. GOP is showing up in droves and DFL turnout was much lower. If enough people stay home, we'll all be saying "Heil, Drumpf"

Not worth it to save yourself 30 minutes.

You really think the DFL is going to stay home? There is a reason The Shrill lost this state it is because everyone voted. There is zero chance Minneapolis stays home if Drumpf is up for the job. Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken will spend more time making speeches than they already do.

I see your point, but having lived in Minneapolis I can tell you they wont stay home with Drumpf around.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/enten-datalab-cruz-1.png?w=575

I wish 538 would update this with every candidate and member of the senate and congress.

I think a lot of independents are very turned off by Cruz and Trump. Independents are far, far more likely to split the vote if it's Hillary and Kasich.

Kasich may not always vote moderate, but he is a moderate. Everything is relative.

If Kasich had any pull with moderates or Independents he would have have better numbers than he does. The amount of people that are disenfranchised is larger than the numbers he gets. HE isnt bringing over anyone that leans left of center and even the centrists arent huge fans of his. He is a better candidate than pretty much all of the rest on that side, but that doesnt mean he is good.

Remember, in the GA he will be the only one up there. He doesnt get to sit back while the children argue over hand size. He is doing what Rubio should have done and that is smart, but I dont see him beating The Clintonistas no matter what the polls say right now. He is getting a lot of positive pub right now because he has an IQ over 12...he wont get that pass leading up to Election Day.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

You really think the DFL is going to stay home? There is a reason The Shrill lost this state it is because everyone voted. There is zero chance Minneapolis stays home if Drumpf is up for the job. Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken will spend more time making speeches than they already do.

I see your point, but having lived in Minneapolis I can tell you they wont stay home with Drumpf around.

You're forgetting about the 35% in her own party that hate her and the 15% that will vote for Trump just for the sure entertainment value. That will make it very close in almost every state.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

This is awesome.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...mp-wont-attend-next-g-o-p-debate-on-fox-news/

And, yes, true. Kasich and Ryan look moderate. They're not. They're right wingers all the way.

The problem here is that both you and NY Times would say the same thing about LBJ.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

I know I'll be doing my part, putting nervous nellies and fence sitters on the spot.

You aren't doing either. You're just making specious arguments Fishy-style and turning "may" into "must" in order to box out people of all choices except for those of which your narrow argument admits.

Centrists and older women will come out for Hillary because they like her. Liberals and everybody under 40 will come out for Hillary because they hate Drumpf. Nobody knows what the relative size of those two groups will be, but while the former is inelastic the latter is highly elastic and depends in large part on Hillary's surrogates like you not giving them a reason to say, "a pox on both your houses." And unfortunately that is all you've been doing for months.

Conservatives can be brought to the polls by beating them over the head -- due to bad parenting or toilet training or something they react to that. Liberals will turn around and give you a richly deserved "S T F U." So since you seem to be doing everything you can in the service of a strategic vision, change your tone and acknowledge that there are very good reasons for liberals to distrust Hillary and that nonetheless you welcome their support and promise that in the end they won't be dissatisfied with a Clinton presidency.

Or maybe just stop shouting at everybody who doesn't follow your exact set of political preferences and allow them to come to her in their own way.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

15% that will vote for Trump just for the sure entertainment value. That will make it very close in almost every state.

The exit polling Tuesday said:

10% Dem crossover to Drumpf
20% GOP will vote for Hillary rather than Drumpf
20% GOP will stay home rather than vote for Drumpf

I don't believe for a moment that those high totals will stand up to months of drum-beating the usual party shibboleths to those potential traitors, but it does indicate that Drumpf loses more political trannies than he gains.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

The exit polling Tuesday said:

10% Dem crossover to Drumpf
20% GOP will vote for Hillary rather than Drumpf
20% GOP will stay home rather than vote for Drumpf

I don't believe for a moment that those high totals will stand up to months of drum-beating the usual party shibboleths to those potential traitors, but it does indicate that Drumpf loses more political trannies than he gains.

I'd like to believe that. But, I doubt it. I don't see any GOP voters actually voting for Hillary. That number seems highly skewed. The numbers that stay home won't affect him much cause there's always a group that stays home. Probably the same as stayed home for Romney. The 10% crossover I believe is low as well.

These polls look like the Michigan Dem polls to me. Wrong.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

You aren't doing either. You're just making specious arguments Fishy-style and turning "may" into "must" in order to box out people of all choices except for those of which your narrow argument admits.

Centrists and older women will come out for Hillary because they like her. Liberals and everybody under 40 will come out for Hillary because they hate Drumpf. Nobody knows what the relative size of those two groups will be, but while the former is inelastic the latter is highly elastic and depends in large part on Hillary's surrogates like you not giving them a reason to say, "a pox on both your houses." And unfortunately that is all you've been doing for months.

Conservatives can be brought to the polls by beating them over the head -- due to bad parenting or toilet training or something they react to that. Liberals will turn around and give you a richly deserved "S T F U." So since you seem to be doing everything you can in the service of a strategic vision, change your tone and acknowledge that there are very good reasons for liberals to distrust Hillary and that nonetheless you welcome their support and promise that in the end they won't be dissatisfied with a Clinton presidency.

Or maybe just stop shouting at everybody who doesn't follow your exact set of political preferences and allow them to come to her in their own way.

Oh stop your whining already Kep. I'm sorry Sanders got his @ ss beat yesterday but did you ever stop to think the Democrats, as in real Democrats, just like Hillary a lot better. Know what gives it away - SHE WON MORE VOTES!!!! OMG - MUST BE A CONSPIRACY!!!!

Sanders has done nothing to promote the party in his 25 years in Congress. He's gotten no legislation passed of any note. His polices go from unworkable to downright lunacy. I'm thrilled he can sell out an arena in a college town. Anybody proposing free weed and free tuition could probably do the same. People are sick of the sanctimonious attitude of the average Bernie Bros. I'm not looking for a religion. I'm looking for the best candidate to get policies enacted to move liberalism down the field. Seems more people agree with me than you on this one.

So, eat your peas like a good boy Kep, get over the Sanders infatuation, them come back in Nov and do the right thing. This is a stark and simple choice. You can either have Hillary as President, or Trump. One or the other. Choose wisely.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

I'd like to believe that. But, I doubt it. I don't see any GOP voters actually voting for Hillary. That number seems highly skewed. The numbers that stay home won't affect him much cause there's always a group that stays home. Probably the same as stayed home for Romney. The 10% crossover I believe is low as well.

These polls look like the Michigan Dem polls to me. Wrong.

I can see a small portion of Gooper voters voting for Hillary. Not 10% but I seriously doubt the 60M McCain/Mittens voters are all going to fall in line. For example, its going to be tough for Trump to maintain even the relatively low amount of minority votes that Romney won.

More likely though is these people disgusted with Trump stay home. Maybe not in down ballot races but I see a lot of professional/college educated people saying "no way". Look at it like this: there a plenty of USCHO righties out here. I've yet to see one of them say one kind word about Trump. These are the people he's losing.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

I'm not. I'm the only one around here who doesn't think this election is over already.

::raises hand::

This is awesome.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...mp-wont-attend-next-g-o-p-debate-on-fox-news/

And, yes, true. Kasich and Ryan look moderate. They're not. They're right wingers all the way.

It continually amazes me how many things tD denies knowledge about. Heh. He didn't know about the debate? Sure. And he is selling those tD steaks that aren't really his...

I can't even count the amount of times he has disavowed knowledge of something that most people not living under a rock would know. He sounds like he is stuck in HS, at an age when you tell a lie and you believe you are clever enough the adult won't figure it out. Sort of like the kid who runs for class president, promises everyone free ice cream if he wins.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

I'm not. I'm the only one around here who doesn't think this election is over already.

::raises hand::

This is awesome.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...mp-wont-attend-next-g-o-p-debate-on-fox-news/

And, yes, true. Kasich and Ryan look moderate. They're not. They're right wingers all the way.

It continually amazes me how many things tD denies knowledge about. Heh. He didn't know about the debate? Sure. And he is selling those tD steaks that aren't really his...

I can't even count the amount of times he has disavowed knowledge of something that most people not living under a rock would know. He sounds like he is stuck in HS, at an age when you tell a lie and you believe you are clever enough the adult won't figure it out. Sort of like the kid who runs for class president, promises everyone free ice cream if he wins.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

It continually amazes me how many things tD denies knowledge about. Heh. He didn't know about the debate? Sure. And he is selling those tD steaks that aren't really his...

I can't even count the amount of times he has disavowed knowledge of something that most people not living under a rock would know. He sounds like he is stuck in HS, at an age when you tell a lie and you believe you are clever enough the adult won't figure it out. Sort of like the kid who runs for class president, promises everyone free ice cream if he wins.

Well...its gotten him this far.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Or maybe just stop shouting at everybody who doesn't follow your exact set of political preferences and allow them to come to her in their own way.

What would he post about then?

 

[leswp1]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Well...its gotten him this far.

And how many most popular kids get to be HS class Prez and then are useless? Unfortunately they have adults to smack them off the side of the head if they are idjits and there doesn't seem to be an adult big enough to wack him.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

I'd like to believe that. But, I doubt it. I don't see any GOP voters actually voting for Hillary. That number seems highly skewed. The numbers that stay home won't affect him much cause there's always a group that stays home. Probably the same as stayed home for Romney. The 10% crossover I believe is low as well.

These polls look like the Michigan Dem polls to me. Wrong.

And if they said the opposite you would be citing them as proof of your fear that Hillary cant win Sancho

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

And how many most popular kids get to be HS class Prez and then are useless? Unfortunately they have adults to smack them off the side of the head if they are idjits and there doesn't seem to be an adult big enough to wack him.

He could win based on that alone. Handy says he has no shot. I think he might.

 

[Rogie21]

Re: Campaign 2016 - in bridge, the trump cards are really wild.

Wish I could take credit for the following, which I can't, but am glad to share:

Donald Trump responds to the question: "Do we set our clocks forward or back an hour tonight?"

"Well I'll tell you. That's a great question. And I get asked that question a lot. A lot. People come up to me. Good people. Terrific people. And they ask me. They say Mr Trump do we set our clocks forward or backward. And I tell them. You want to know what I tell them? I tell them. By the way they're really good terrific people. People that want to make our country great again. And they get it. I'll tell you. They get it. They get how we're losing to China and Japan and Mexico both on the border and on trade. But China is the big one. And they get it. And I tell them on the clocks. We don't even make the clocks. You know who makes the clocks? China. They don't tell you that but China makes the clocks. And they ask do we set them forward or backward and I tell them. I mean. What can I tell them. If I'm being honest. Right? I mean what can I tell them? We are losing on our clocks. And it's like, does it matter when we are losing so bad? I mean, so bad. So, so bad. They're cleaning our clocks really, if you want to know the truth. They're cleaning our clocks but it's not gonna happen anymore. We are going to make our clocks great again. And we're going to make our country great again. But our clocks too. That I can tell you. Our clocks will be great again. And we will set them forward or we will set them backward, but we will set them legally. Ok? Is that ok? We will set our clocks and we will be the best on setting our clocks. That I can tell you. All right? Good. Next question.