Campaign 2014: The Epic Struggle To Win The Senate And Change Nothing

[ericredaxe]

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This would be an improvement, but it's just not the case. All the data says that by the time a voter is 30 his/her affiliation is basically hard-wired for life. And for that matter, that the affiliation was pre-determined by parents and peers in the first place.

Voting is a tribal exclamation, not a rational decision. Elections are not about changing minds anymore (if they ever were); they are about getting your guys to the polls and keeping the other guys at home.

That is perhaps true to some extent (particularly for those and the far ends of the spectrums regardless of to the left or right). It does not, however, take into account a sizable chunk of us who consider ourselves closer to the middle and whose vote may indeed be swayed depending on who the candidate is, what the most important issues to us at the time are etc.

There is also the "throw the bums out" aspect, which may be the most powerful of all…people get fed up and collectively decide to give "the other guys" a chance... It happened to the Democrats in 2006, it happened to the Republicans in 2010, happened again to the Democrats in 2014 and will happen again to the republicans at some point in the future.

 

[FreshFish]

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The reason is that for some inexplicable reason, Obama and the Democrats will not run on the things that have gotten better,.

gotten better for whom? all the 20-somethings still living at home working at $12.50 an hour jobs because no one is hiring given all the additional complicated regulations that have been passed since 2008?

all the savers and fixed income investors getting 0.50% interest income?

The economy since 2008 has had a few winners and a lot of losers, and the aggregate statistics mask that effect.

 

[FreshFish]

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Or maybe Coloradans had had that bullsh*t "war on women" nonsense up to here. Maybe Coloradans aren't single issue twerps. The central Democrat theme--"free birth control for rich b*tches" just didn't seem to work.

and in bottom stories of the day, Sandra Fluke ran for a state senate seat in California. She lost.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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gotten better for whom? all the 20-somethings still living at home working at $12.50 an hour jobs because no one is hiring given all the additional complicated regulations that have been passed since 2008?

all the savers and fixed income investors getting 0.50% interest income?

The economy since 2008 has had a few winners and a lot of losers, and the aggregate statistics mask that effect.

Excuse me, but are you high? More regulations have caused the hiring squeeze? Jfc.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Tax cutting may or may not be a good idea. But you and the rest of the chorus seem to forget, the money belongs to us. It's ours. Not the government's. We earned it. So if government takes less of it, we aren't getting anything "for free." We are keeping more of that which is ours.

And by choosing to be part of a society they live by the rules of said society.

 

[geezer]

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Excuse me, but are you high? More regulations have caused the hiring squeeze? Jfc.

This is actually true in the medical supplies industry and a few other things related to the Obamacare fiasco. It preemptively shut down what should have been the next big thing for the economy.
Instead of leading the world forward in health care, we're scrambling to provide the basics and falling way behind in healthcare R&D.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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This is actually true in the medical supplies industry and a few other things related to the Obamacare fiasco. It preemptively shut down what should have been the next big thing for the economy.
Instead of leading the world forward in health care, we're scrambling to provide the basics and falling way behind in healthcare R&D.

True. Why pay taxes here when you are an executive? Just move your company overseas. Live here of course and have your children go to college here because America is the best at that, but for heaven's sake don't pay any money into the system that provides it.

 

[FreshFish]

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More regulations have caused the hiring squeeze?

Spoken with the wisdom and experience of a business owner, eh?

One set of regulations for businesses with under 50 employees and a different set of regulations for businesses over 50 employees doesn't matter at all when deciding how many people to hire???

One set of regulations for people who work less than 30 hours a week and a different set of regulations for people who work more than 30 hours a week doesn't matter at all when deciding what kind of positions to fill???


One set of regulations for loans made to large corporations and a different set of regulations for loans made to small and mid-size business doesn't affect access to credit that businesses need to expand and grow???


There are times when I wish I were high, medical marijuana to cope with the depression that comes on whenever I hear "businesses don't create jobs" or "you didn't build that."


Who is out of touch with reality here, eh?

 

[FreshFish]

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Overall, it appears that the biggest winner of all from the recent election is:

Hubris!


"Elections have consequences, and we won." --> "um, er, ah, eh, um...."

 

[St. Clown]

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Excuse me, but are you high? More regulations have caused the hiring squeeze? Jfc.

It's not necessarily a hiring freeze, but there's likely some of that happening. (How much damage does an autoshop do itself by expanding its staff from 48 employees to 50 even though there's demand to push for the extra hires under the old paradigm? I don't have the answer.) A common theme with people entering for the first time or re-entering the workforce now is that they're underemployed, you can see that in news articles all over the place. Either their skills exceed their jobs, or they're only able to get part-time employment when they want/need fulltime employment. Capping hours and pay are a guaranteed outcome of Obamacare as companies have much more control their costs than they do their revenues. The owners of the companies will protect themselves as much as possible before seeking out new employees. Some of the more charitable owners might increase employee hours, but only to a point as they'll only absorb so much damage to themselves before capping them.

 

[trixR4kids]

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"businesses don't create jobs"

We are in a demand based economy and there needs to be overwhelming demand before businesses hire people. They don't just hire out of the goodness of their heart.

or "you didn't build that."

"Somewhere along the line you were helped by a public entity" is clearly what was meant, but hey intellectually dishonest soundbites are a lot easier to remember!

 

[Kepler]

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Overall, it appears that the biggest winner of all from the recent election is:

Hubris!


"Elections have consequences, and we won." --> "um, er, ah, eh, um...."

It's early yet, but you're probably right that the Repubs will overreach.

 

[FreshFish]

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I'll let this story speak for itself (as my last foray into Latin didn't work so well.....)

Readers know that I don’t agree with the entire right-wing agenda, particularly when it comes to abortion rights, which I support. But conservative women have for too long been maligned by the left as closet woman-haters at best, right-wing lunatics at worst — a kind of bigotry that should make us all cry foul.

“The contention is that a Republican is going to take away your right to abortion and contraception,’’ said Schiffren. “That’s just a joke.

“Women want jobs — for themselves, for their daughters, their sons and husbands,’’ she said. “Voters understand that the economy, immigration, foreign policy matter.’’

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'll let this story speak for itself (as my last foray into Latin didn't work so well.....)

Given the massive amounts of laws that have passed restricting abortion in this country the past 10 years or so and the number of times the Courts across the country have struck down those laws (see Texas recently), I say that this Schiffren woman you cite is (being kind) extremely ignorant.

Just wait until they get going. It will be something to see. I know what the Republicans wasted time on in my State while they were in power.

 

[joecct]

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And by choosing to be part of a society they live by the rules of said society.

Rules can be changed. That's why we have a ballot box and the right to petition the government to address our grievances. I would prefer that rules get changed legislatively rather than judicially or by executive fiat, but such is the country we live in.

 

[St. Clown]

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We are in a demand based economy and there needs to be overwhelming demand before businesses hire people. They don't just hire out of the goodness of their heart.

Do you truly believe that? When the PC was introduced to the public in the late 70's, there wasn't a great outpouring of demand for them. The same can said about most technological innovations in the past 150 years. Neither government, business, nor the general public were clamoring for air travel, yet once it was introduced everybody either wanted it or was intrigued by it. You can even translate this over to service industries; fast food restaurants and drive-thruough windows, for better or worse, wasn't in demand when brought to the public, but the public took a quick liking to them. So many times in history it's a generation of supply creating the demand. It cuts both ways, entirely dependent upon the situation.

 

[unofan]

Do you truly believe that? When the PC was introduced to the public in the late 70's, there wasn't a great outpouring of demand for them. The same can said about most technological innovations in the past 150 years. Neither government, business, nor the general public were clamoring for air travel, yet once it was introduced everybody either wanted it or was intrigued by it. You can even translate this over to service industries; fast food restaurants and drive-thruough windows, for better or worse, wasn't in demand when brought to the public, but the public took a quick liking to them. So many times in history it's a generation of supply creating the demand. It cuts both ways, entirely dependent upon the situation.

Don't confuse innovation with supply in the general sense. The former is what you're talking about; the public doesn't know it wants what isn't available (most of the time). But McDonald's isn't profitable because it's everywhere; it's everywhere because it's profitable.

Innovation may initially drive demand, but in the long run demand drives supply. If it didn't, we'd still have buggy whips and gas lamps.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Do you truly believe that? When the PC was introduced to the public in the late 70's, there wasn't a great outpouring of demand for them.

Because it weighed like 300 lb and wasn't exactly efficient...

And there was certainly a demand for more efficient travel, cheaper/quicker food, they just hadn't exactly figured out the how yet.

 

[St. Clown]

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Don't confuse innovation with supply in the general sense. The former is what you're talking about; the public doesn't know it wants what isn't available (most of the time). But McDonald's isn't profitable because it's everywhere; it's everywhere because it's profitable.

Innovation may initially drive demand, but in the long run demand drives supply. If it didn't, we'd still have buggy whips and gas lamps.

I can't argue with anything you've said there. I just like to remind people who hold hard and fast to single line of thought that we can have two way causation. While one's more common than the other, it's not a mortal lock.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Well you have yet to provide an example of supply creating the demand.