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Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

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Current count on The Heist.

tl; dr:

We need three.

Personal Animosity:

Corker, TN (retiring, hates Trump; ostensibly cares about the debt)
Flake, AZ (retiring, hates Trump; creating a lane to run for president in 2020))
McCain, AZ (dying, hates Trump; ostensibly cares about regular order but who knows?)

Merits:

Collins, ME (objects to using this to kill Obamacare)
Moran, KS (objects to using this to kill Obamacare; debt hawk)
Johnson, WI (says passthroughs not sufficient to help small business)
Lankford, OK (recognizes this adds another $1.8T to the debt)

Posturing:

Rubio, FL (keeping 2020 alive, saw Murkowski extortion and wants some sugar)
Daines, MT (small fry wants attention, picked passthroughs)

Bought Off:

Murkowski, AK (traded Obamacare for ANWAR drilling)
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

Corker, Flake, and Rubio will all vote for it. Especially the latter two, if they value their future careers in the GOP.

My guess is, Collins is a no and McCain is a maybe no. The two of them need to convince 1-2 of the others.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Corker, Flake, and Rubio will all vote for it. Especially the latter two, if they value their future careers in the GOP.

My guess is, Collins is a no and McCain is probably a no. The two of them need to convince one of the others.
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Rubio will definitely fold.

Corker doesn't care.

Flake is taking a flier on being The Sane Republican. He's going to try to run the Kasich Lane against Dump. He needs a defining moment. This can be it. He'll need utter chaos in the GOP to unseat a sitting president in the nomination phase; this gives it to him.

My rough probability:

90% Collins
80% Flake
50% Corker
??% McCain

Everybody else will fold.

So McCain is the key, just like Obamacare.
 
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Here is the fig leaf the GOP is putting together to give Members an excuse to accept their bribes and vote for The Heist.

It's obviously malevolent, mendacious claptrap, but it will at least get on board all the posturers (Moran, Johnson, Lankford, Daines, Rubio, probably Corker). That leaves Collins, Flake, and McCain unless one of the Tea Baggers throws a nutter and refuses to sign a bill with roll back provisions in it.

Note the anti-democratic insanity of this. They have to include the rollback because they have to rush the bill through into law before it is scored, because the scoring will reveal it blows a hole in the budget which means it cannot be pushed through under reconciliation.

This is a coup d'etat.
 
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Kepler said:
Here is the fig leaf the GOP is putting together to give Members an excuse to accept their bribes and vote for The Heist.

It's obviously malevolent, mendacious claptrap, but it will at least get on board all the posturers (Moran, Johnson, Lankford, Daines, Rubio, probably Corker). That leaves Collins, Flake, and McCain unless one of the Tea Baggers throws a nutter and refuses to sign a bill with roll back provisions in it.

Note the anti-democratic insanity of this. They have to include the rollback because they have to rush the bill through into law before it is scored, because the scoring will reveal it blows a hole in the budget which means it cannot be pushed through under reconciliation.

This is a coup d'etat.
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The Old Trigger Trick? GOP'ers love that. It'll work.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The Old Trigger Trick? GOP'ers love that. It'll work.
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Our next majority we need to push through 90% top marginal rate on incomes over $10M on simple majority. And if they peep just laugh in their face and replay the tapes of this week.

One thing about that: it will cut the deficit so we don't even have to worry about cheating the way the Republicans always have to.
 
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Bad news.

The Republican senators who have been the most critical of their party’s tax overhaul plan came out of a lunch meeting with President Trump Tuesday sounding more like yes votes, telling reporters that Trump promised many of them he’d back the various policy changes they want to see in the bill.

Key former hold-outs like Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME), Ron Johnson (R-WI) and Bob Corker (R-TN) all exited the meeting sounding significantly more optimistic that they will be able to support the bill, with Collins and Corker both saying Trump promised them support for the changes they want to see.

“A lot of my concerns, it appears, are going to be addressed,” Collins told TPM during a conversation with reporters.


Almost immediately after the lunch, the tax bill sailed through the Senate Budget Committee — something that didn’t seem like a done deal Tuesday morning, when both Corker and Johnson were still suggesting they would vote against it in committee.

Now, the bill to make major corporate tax cuts and gut Obamacare’s individual mandate has significantly more momentum as Republicans rush to try to push it through Congress before the end of the year.

Yet the devil remains in the details, and Trump has made promises before that GOP leaders couldn’t keep. But if Collins gets onboard as well as GOP senators like Corker who are concerned about the bill exploding the national debt and those like Johnson who want even more generous tax cuts for smaller businesses, it’s likely to pass the Senate later this week. Republicans can afford to lose only two of their own members and still pass the bill.

Collins, the most outspoken critic of Republican’s gambit to repeal Obamacare’s individual mandate in the tax bill, said Trump agreed Tuesday to back two bipartisan health care bills to mitigate the harmful effects killing the mandate: one from Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Patty Murray (D-WA) to provide money to stabilize insurance markets and another from her and Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) to fund a federal reinsurance program.

Alexander confirmed that Trump had offered support for both his health care bill and Collins’.

Collins, though she claimed Tuesday to still be undecided on the overall bill, also appeared to have loosened her demands. Though she said just a few weeks ago that she wanted both health care bills passed before the Senate voted on the tax and mandate repeal bill, she moved the goalpost on Tuesday, telling reporters that they need to pass before the House-Senate conference committee issues its final report.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that repealing the mandate would increase premiums by more than 10 percent and drive at least 13 million people out of the health insurance market over the next 10 years.
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I feel like I did the night of the election. A little mad, but mostly just sad. My country used to be worth something. Now it's Ancien Regime France.

"A Republic, if you can keep it."

Well, we didn't. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that money, and greed, and viciousness are always heavy favorites.

Maybe the Chinese will figure it out. America's done.
 
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“A lot of my concerns, it appears, are going to be addressed,” Collins told TPM during a conversation with reporters.
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Translation: Collins got porked.

Uh, no, wait, that didn't come out quite right. Or did it.
 
Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

I don't understand why this legislation is even in doubt. GOP controls both houses and the White House. The plan increases the deficit, aids the wealthy at the expense of the poor. What Republican doesn't like that?
 
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joecct said:
And I won't change. This is a line I cannot cross.
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Tough. This crap is all on you to buy into the idea that R's really care about abortion. They don't- they are totally using you to get their vote so that they can rape this country. Thanks a lot, buddy.

It's not as if they have done a single legal thing to prevent abortions. They try, and even when they stack the court, they fail.

Yet you still support them, and look the other way when our debt goes up so that our dear idiot president can make millions of dollars at your expense.

He appreciates that you are so easily manipulated.
 
alfablue said:
Tough. This crap is all on you to buy into the idea that R's really care about abortion. They don't- they are totally using you to get their vote so that they can rape this country. Thanks a lot, buddy.

It's not as if they have done a single legal thing to prevent abortions. They try, and even when they stack the court, they fail.

Yet you still support them, and look the other way when our debt goes up so that our dear idiot president can make millions of dollars at your expense.

He appreciates that you are so easily manipulated.
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It's maybe something you have a hard time understanding - a moral code.

You and others here disagree with me. Fine. That's OK. Our Constitution permits dissenting views from the established norm and guarantees that one will not be prosecuted for dissenting.

It says nothing about being persecuted or ridiculed for the dissent. So fire away. As long as you don't harm me or my family you can do what you want.
 
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unofan said:
Then pardon me if I don't care whether you like it or not. You vote for it, you own it.
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Yep. One issue voters are only infinitesimally less detestable than low information voters.
 
joecct said:
It's maybe something you have a hard time understanding - a moral code.

You and others here disagree with me. Fine. That's OK. Our Constitution permits dissenting views from the established norm and guarantees that one will not be prosecuted for dissenting.

It says nothing about being persecuted or ridiculed for the dissent. So fire away. As long as you don't harm me or my family you can do what you want.
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You realize you're trading one life for another, right? Because cutting healthcare, Medicare, social security, and other parts of the social safety net will result in people dying.

So justify it to yourself however you want, but you're being played and it's happening with a smile on your face the whole time.
 
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