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Business, Economics, and Taxes: Eat Cereal for Dinner

RaceBoarder said:
It's cause it's a tournament event.

Any event with like 10 or more boats OR any events that wants to have an exemption to length/possession limits on fish needs to apply through the DNR and you need to list the host launch. Event staff will also park a trailer and the release pontoon there for 3-4 days (normally no overnight parking). I also think MI requires a published pay table, as a percentage of the money paid out as winnings goes to the DNR.

Technically it can be done, but it's just not worth the hassle of jumping through the hoops needed. It's like hiking out West for ski access at a property that's on Forest Service Land. So many things are stacked against you doing it, but if you REALLY wanted to pursue it, the chance is there.
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Makes sense.

Re: your ski analogy - when I was twentysomething, if it was sidecountry, I would've just poached it at my own risk. 😁
 
SJHovey said:
How much of this "micro-retirement" thing, and in particular, the application of a label to it, is really just intended to deflect awkward conversations with family, friends and former co-workers?

Since the advent of work, people have elected to quit their job (or maybe it wasn't even voluntary), and then elected to put on hold the search or acceptance of new employment. This is done for many reasons, and I even think posters on this site have done it.

Such a decision inevitably leads to awkward conversations with friends, relatives and former co-workers. "Are you working? Why haven't you found a new job yet? Have you even applied anywhere? Are you getting any interviews? How are you paying your bills if you're not working" On and on. I imagine it gets tiresome.

Hence the naming of this time as a "micro-retirement." That's my theory, at least.
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My friend had a coworker who did this before it was cool. I hung out with him a couple times. Basically he’d work a few years, save up a bunch, then go be a nomad for a year backpacking and doing hostels in Europe with some weekend trips to Dubai or another tourist mega city.

Eventually he left my friend’s work to go off on another trip and I followed him on social media some, but my friend lost touch with him and he stopped posting so I lost track of his escapades. There was something cook about the freedom of it, but it had to be stressful skimping while you worked to save for the trip and then skimping while you explore to make it last. And I always wondered how many cycles you could go through that before new employers realize there’s a clock on how long they have before you quit. With someone job hopping every 2-3 years at least an employer could think they have the magic to make you stick. Not sure that’s possible when they’re competing with wanderlust versus a bigger paycheck or work culture.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
While a lot of companies surely back the bbb, it’s extra special that 3M keeps finding ways to try and kill people.

The cancer in the east metro not get ya? Too bad, now we can take away healthcare and pollute more!!

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You reminded me that I had a rant from driving yesterday. Up in dumpy country on our way to a concert last night- seeing "stop the gravel pit" signs all over the place. Somehow, these people don't realize that they voted to make it easier for gravel pit companies to start. With vigorous intention. So you earned getting that company digging a gravel pit in your area.
 
MichVandal said:
You reminded me that I had a rant from driving yesterday. Up in dumpy country on our way to a concert last night- seeing "stop the gravel pit" signs all over the place. Somehow, these people don't realize that they voted to make it easier for gravel pit companies to start. With vigorous intention. So you earned getting that company digging a gravel pit in your area.
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Sadly, cause and effect seem to be in short supply with them.
 
MichVandal said:
You reminded me that I had a rant from driving yesterday. Up in dumpy country on our way to a concert last night- seeing "stop the gravel pit" signs all over the place. Somehow, these people don't realize that they voted to make it easier for gravel pit companies to start. With vigorous intention. So you earned getting that company digging a gravel pit in your area.
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Welcome to the world of being an Outdoorsman (specifically fishing/hunting)...
 
RaceBoarder said:
Welcome to the world of being an Outdoorsman (specifically fishing/hunting)...
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I have a good one for you- I was up in the UP having dinner in Hancock with some family and future family, and I brought up the concept that pretty much all conservative Yoopers are strident environmentalist based on so many being against new mining (gravel, iron, copper, whatever) and wanting to preserve the rest of the environment for their hunting and fishing. And got an interesting response that "they just don't want change" as opposed to recognizing that all of those ideas are core values to Democrats.

I didn't bother to bring up the very common complaint of the health system in the UP.

Crazy that they brush off any idea that they share any ideas and values with Democrats, let alone ones that are so core to what they are as Yoopers.
 
MichVandal said:
You reminded me that I had a rant from driving yesterday. Up in dumpy country on our way to a concert last night- seeing "stop the gravel pit" signs all over the place. Somehow, these people don't realize that they voted to make it easier for gravel pit companies to start. With vigorous intention. So you earned getting that company digging a gravel pit in your area.
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This the one in Springfield Twp, near my parents in Clarkston?

If so, that area is deep red and they (not my parents) definitely voted for it.
 
MichVandal said:
I have a good one for you- I was up in the UP having dinner in Hancock with some family and future family, and I brought up the concept that pretty much all conservative Yoopers are strident environmentalist based on so many being against new mining (gravel, iron, copper, whatever) and wanting to preserve the rest of the environment for their hunting and fishing. And got an interesting response that "they just don't want change" as opposed to recognizing that all of those ideas are core values to Democrats.

I didn't bother to bring up the very common complaint of the health system in the UP.

Crazy that they brush off any idea that they share any ideas and values with Democrats, let alone ones that are so core to what they are as Yoopers.
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My experience is that many of the men want the mines back, environment be damned.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
My experience is that many of the men want the mines back, environment be damned.
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Interesting- there must be a local minority that has a lot of signs like around Clarkson. But how do they see the impact on their fishing and hunting grounds? Or even the massive trails around the UP? I can see them want the mining, but not when the impact finally hits them. Kind of short term thinking.
 
One other timely post- you see a lot of people questioning the response in Texas, right? And when I hear the questions, while there is some blame in them, there's a lot of looking at preventing this happening again.

And for all of that, the right is hammering on not making this political, it's an act of God.

This is why American business leaders should not be running this country. I saw so very many times that fault prevention is very much not valued enough in business circles, especially compared to saving money. And this short term thinking of saving money instead of prevention is ALL over government now. And it's costing lives.
 
MichVandal said:
Interesting- there must be a local minority that has a lot of signs like around Clarkson. But how do they see the impact on their fishing and hunting grounds? Or even the massive trails around the UP? I can see them want the mining, but not when the impact finally hits them. Kind of short term thinking.
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I don't see signage. This is from conversations with people over the years, often at the bar.

My theory? When they think of mines, they think of shaft holes in the ground and perhaps a site of a few hundred to a few thousand acres at most. The UP certainly has a lot of land to spare. None of them know or consider that a lot of modern mining for metals is done with leachates in order to maximize the extraction (and thus the profits). Where do those chemicals go without expensive reclamation & disposal processes? Straight into mine waste pools and inevitably into the local groundwater.

Even if they know that, most probably still don't care. They think a $50-60k/yr mining job will have them better off in the long run than the economic alternatives.
 
MichVandal said:
One other timely post- you see a lot of people questioning the response in Texas, right? And when I hear the questions, while there is some blame in them, there's a lot of looking at preventing this happening again.

And for all of that, the right is hammering on not making this political, it's an act of God.

This is why American business leaders should not be running this country. I saw so very many times that fault prevention is very much not valued enough in business circles, especially compared to saving money. And this short term thinking of saving money instead of prevention is ALL over government now. And it's costing lives.
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Its Bean Counter thinking. Car companies do it all the time. How much does the average lawsuit pay out? If it is less than the cost to fix the problem they just dont fix the problem.

The movie Class Action with Gene Hackman is about that.
 
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MichVandal said:
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Crazy that they brush off any idea that they share any ideas and values with Democrats, let alone ones that are so core to what they are as Yoopers.
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Same as its ever been for 30 years. Growing up I had family with deep Democratic held values that were told they should run for local elections, but "just make sure you run as a Republican." 🙄😠
 
French Rage said:
Copper is absolutely vital for everything so let's make it cost 50% more!
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Over on the D3 board, there was a post about how the St. Norbert arena expansion (building a new ice sheet just for the college use with new locker rooms, stands, etc.) is slowed down and behind schedule presumably because of the cost increases due to ... tariffs.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Over on the D3 board, there was a post about how the St. Norbert arena expansion (building a new ice sheet just for the college use with new locker rooms, stands, etc.) is slowed down and behind schedule presumably because of the cost increases due to ... tariffs.
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Oh no! Poor private, Catholic SNC. Whatever shall they do!? Whom shall they ask for more money?
 
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