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Handyman said:
Most of us could have told you that. Yang is a one note candidate (UBI) who is nothing but a Silicon Valley version of unqualified clowns who run for office. The man has no real ideas, no expertise and has zero ability to build a coalition. He is the type who lobbies to move the needle on topics, btu he would be an epic disaster in any sort of political leadership role. Even before this article I always felt he would be an awful mayor. He is Ben Carson with better rhetoric.
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I disagree with the comparison. At least Yang was promoting one thing that was positive. Carson stopped being a positive for Planet Earth as soon as he quit doctoring and started politicking.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Crushes me to admit it but I appear to have been wrong about Andrew Yang. Very disappointing to say the least.

https://prospect.org/politics/andrew...new-york-city/
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He's the textbook definition of a guy who has no real ideas or solutions, he's just bored with private life and has too much money to throw around. He's Herman "9-9-9" Cain with less charisma, but at least he didn't die of an avoidable virus to own the libs!
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
He's the textbook definition of a guy who has no real ideas or solutions
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That's actually not true, UBI is a new idea to most voters and he's obviously committed to it.

Yang's problem isn't ideas: he has one idea, and it's a great one. His problem is everything else. He's like that CA douche who wants to divide the state into 5, or reserve 2 EV for Google, or whatever. These guys are Libertarian Bros. They have no conception of life as a lived, messy thing. They see it as an equation to be optimized. I know these guys inside and out because in my 20s I was one.

Do not give them any power. They are not up to it. Let them play with gadgets and apps. That's their speed. Leave living to humans. These are the heirs to Auguste Comte and they are no good to anyone.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
I disagree with the comparison. At least Yang was promoting one thing that was positive. Carson stopped being a positive for Planet Earth as soon as he quit doctoring and started politicking.
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It isnt about whether the idea is positive or negative. Neither is qualified to hold office. They have their specific expertise (Ben Carson is a friggin neurosurgeon) but neither has any business being a politician.
 
I'm with you that certain people should not be politicians but I don't mind that they try and get their issues out there. I pray New York City is smart enough not to vote for him. I voted for Ventura. I admit it. Biggest voting mistake I have ever made in my life.

I think Yang was a net positive for the run to President and the Democrats. Unfortunately he has some awful policy positions that I did not notice until now.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
I'm with you that certain people should not be politicians but I don't mind that they try and get their issues out there. I pray New York City is smart enough not to vote for him. I voted for Ventura. I admit it. Biggest voting mistake I have ever made in my life.

I think Yang was a net positive for the run to President and the Democrats. Unfortunately he has some awful policy positions that I did not notice until now.
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NY voted for Bloomberg. The US voted for Dump.

Too dangerous.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
I'm with you that certain people should not be politicians but I don't mind that they try and get their issues out there. I pray New York City is smart enough not to vote for him. I voted for Ventura. I admit it. Biggest voting mistake I have ever made in my life.

I think Yang was a net positive for the run to President and the Democrats. Unfortunately he has some awful policy positions that I did not notice until now.
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The problem isnt that we voted for Jessie...the problem was neither the MNGOP or the DFL put up candidates worthy of beating him. (plus we don't have runoffs...he would have been slaughtered) Skip Humphrey sucked and Norm Coleman would have been awful. Neither party took him seriously and he got the youth vote because he went and talked to everyone. His college barnstorming tour the week before the election was a better strategy than anything I have seen in some time.

After that both Parties got smarter about who they ran and why. TPaw was an awful Governor for the state but he was a much better candidate overall (and more likable) than Norm Coleman was. Dayton was awesome to the point even businesses didn't mind his high taxes when push came to shove. (I worked a lot of Fortune 500 events where he was keynote and they loved him) Walz will likely skate to re-election because the MNGOP has nothing and honestly, outside the fact he feels the need to overexplain everything and talk about how awesome Minnesotans are his policies are mostly on point.
 
Speaking of... is MN safe now? Is it moving in the right direction?

With OH lost and MI only a matter of time, I was still pretty confident of WI and MN because both universities are decent and both have diverse if small cities. But good god WI has turned into a horror show, and IA, which I always read as sane, is gone, so now I'm terrified we're going to lose PA, WI, and MN eventually.
Obviously none of it matters if we flip TX, but... do we need to worry or have you guys gotten your sh-t back together?
 
Kepler said:
Speaking of... is MN safe now? Is it moving in the right direction?

With OH lost and MI only a matter of time, I was still pretty confident of WI and MN because both universities are decent and both have diverse if small cities. But good god WI has turned into a horror show, and IA, which I always read as sane, is gone, so now I'm terrified we're going to lose PA, WI, and MN eventually.
Obviously none of it matters if we flip TX, but... do we need to worry or have you guys gotten your sh-t back together?
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Trump lost in MN by more points in 2020 than he lost in 2016. When we truly get out our vote, we’re not as bad as people with the Vapors would have believe. That said, when you get 30+ miles outside of Minneapolis or St. Paul, where less than half of the population lives, all bets are off.
 
Anyone who buys the "MN Will Turn Red" bs should be forced to go back and retake math. Minneapolis is never turning Red as long as the Fundies control the party and Minneapolis (and Saint Paul) control the vote. Even the suburbs are Blue for the most part. Every national election people pretend it will happen and it doesn't. Trump had a stacked deck for him because Minnesota was a Bernie State and he still couldn't win. No way any of the clowns who replace him on the ballot will.

The Leg is a different story, but there is a reason the Dems have won every statewide election since 2006. Hell outside of that one awful poll that somehow had Jason Lewis within a point of Tina Smith there was never even really a worry she would lose, and she is a boring candidate that no one really rallied for. Klobuchar will hold her seat as long as she wants it and the MNGOP doesn't have a single candidate worth a damn to run for Governor.

As long as population centers are Blue I would guess you will see the Blue Wall hold. Trump was an aberration not the norm. Pittsburgh and Philly will keep Pennsylvania for the time being as well. Michigan...well I dunno that is a weird place. Wisconsin will depend on how much Milwaukee and Madison are engaged. For the time being I would think, barring some full on cheating, they will go for Biden.
 
Handyman said:
Anyone who buys the "MN Will Turn Red" bs should be forced to go back and retake math. Minneapolis is never turning Red as long as the Fundies control the party and Minneapolis (and Saint Paul) control the vote. Even the suburbs are Blue for the most part. Every national election people pretend it will happen and it doesn't. Trump had a stacked deck for him because Minnesota was a Bernie State and he still couldn't win. No way any of the clowns who replace him on the ballot will.

The Leg is a different story, but there is a reason the Dems have won every statewide election since 2006. Hell outside of that one awful poll that somehow had Jason Lewis within a point of Tina Smith there was never even really a worry she would lose, and she is a boring candidate that no one really rallied for. Klobuchar will hold her seat as long as she wants it and the MNGOP doesn't have a single candidate worth a damn to run for Governor.

As long as population centers are Blue I would guess you will see the Blue Wall hold. Trump was an aberration not the norm. Pittsburgh and Philly will keep Pennsylvania for the time being as well. Michigan...well I dunno that is a weird place. Wisconsin will depend on how much Milwaukee and Madison are engaged. For the time being I would think, barring some full on cheating, they will go for Biden.
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It's the burbs. After all, all the TX cities are blue but TX isn't going anywhere. The Soccer Moms may have college degrees, but... it's state college, in business, and they're still a-scurred of The Element and they go to teevee megachurch on Sunday and pray to Jesus for low taxes.
 
Kepler said:
Speaking of... is MN safe now? Is it moving in the right direction?

With OH lost and MI only a matter of time, I was still pretty confident of WI and MN because both universities are decent and both have diverse if small cities. But good god WI has turned into a horror show, and IA, which I always read as sane, is gone, so now I'm terrified we're going to lose PA, WI, and MN eventually.
Obviously none of it matters if we flip TX, but... do we need to worry or have you guys gotten your sh-t back together?
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I wouldn't quite write off MI in the next decade, it depends on how effective the new redistricting commission is at unraveling Republican gerrymandering from the last couple of rounds. But in the long run, as we continue to bleed young minds/talent to warmer states with more economic and demographic diversity, you're probably correct. Trips to the Michissippi parts of the state are likely going to get depressing by the time I've retired.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I wouldn't quite write off MI in the next decade, it depends on how effective the new redistricting commission is at unraveling Republican gerrymandering from the last couple of rounds. But in the long run, as we continue to bleed young minds/talent to warmer states with more economic and demographic diversity, you're probably correct. Trips to the Michissippi parts of the state are likely going to get depressing by the time I've retired.
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I think a lot it is black flight back to Georgia, Virginia, and other states. The Great Migration is reversing.

Holy sh-t the vegetables in Alabama are gonna freak when they wake up one morning and liberals in Huntsville and returning blacks are the majority. :-)

Gettin' so you can't even hold yourself a nice lynching anymore!
 
Kepler said:
It's the burbs. After all, all the TX cities are blue but TX isn't going anywhere. The Soccer Moms may have college degrees, but... it's state college, in business, and they're still a-scurred of The Element and they go to teevee megachurch on Sunday and pray to Jesus for low taxes.
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I always forget state schools are a bad thing to Northeasterners.
 
Kepler said:
It's the burbs. After all, all the TX cities are blue but TX isn't going anywhere. The Soccer Moms may have college degrees, but... it's state college, in business, and they're still a-scurred of The Element and they go to teevee megachurch on Sunday and pray to Jesus for low taxes.
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You mean the same burbs that have been fleeing the GOP since 2016?

They tried the "Darkies comin to destroy yer home" crap in 2018 and 2020 and got pimpslapped for it. You can mock state schools all you want SUNY-Ithaca Boy but educated women aren't voting for the White Man who wants to beat and rape them and make them keep the baby...especially in Blue States. (or I am I misreading your point)

Texas isnt going anywhere because Latinos there are too Catholic. They will ignore the racism in the name of the Lord. Plus, a ton of them voted for Trump because he put his name on the COVID Check...and that isn't a joke.
 
Bronco said:
Every time I hear private school I think of Hillsdale, Calvin, or Hope and just giggle.
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A right wing tolerable of mine called Hillsdale "idyllic," and that has to be code for "perfect because the residents are white, cisgender, heterosexual, conservative, Christian, and rich."
 
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