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Buffalo State penalized for grant violations

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Derek Dunning said:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaa...nalized+for+aid+violations_01_28_10_ncaa_news

Wow. This news certainly is a shocker. The Bengals were positioning themselves for a possible ECAC West playoff berth this season too.
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That is upsetting. It looks like they have a grant specifically for Canadians. One would think that because of Buffalo States location they have more than just athletes coming in from Canada. If the athletes are the only ones getting the grant, then this makes sense.

UWS has an international student grant, which the hockey players get, but so do the students from Sri Lanka, India, China...etc.
 
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The real problem here is that, again, there will be far too many innocent victims. The players had nothing to do with Financial Aid decisions, yet all of them will be punished. If I were a Senior on this team I would be at the AD's Office first thing tomorrow morning - and not in a very good mood. The larger problem is that the NCAA has become a mindless, heartless, and senseless beast.
 
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Pops Ryan said:
The real problem here is that, again, there will be far too many innocent victims. The players had nothing to do with Financial Aid decisions, yet all of them will be punished. If I were a Senior on this team I would be at the AD's Office first thing tomorrow morning - and not in a very good mood. The larger problem is that the NCAA has become a mindless, heartless, and senseless beast.
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As someone said on the USCHO E-Board staff...

How about the lone Buffalo State women's lacrosse player that has to choose between giving up her financial aid or screwing over the whole team?

Rock and a hard place?

I feel really bad for her.:(
 
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Derek Dunning said:
How about the lone Buffalo State women's lacrosse player that has to choose between giving up her financial aid or screwing over the whole team?
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Doesn't she have a third option -- quit the team? If the grant money is necessary to her continuing to attend the school, then that sounds like the course of action to take.
 
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ARM said:
Doesn't she have a third option -- quit the team? If the grant money is necessary to her continuing to attend the school, then that sounds like the course of action to take.
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True. I dont think that makes the decision any easier though.
 
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Derek Dunning said:
I dont think that makes the decision any easier though.
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I agree that it isn't easy. But it is in keeping with the basic principles of D-III athletics -- playing for the fun of it, not for financial aid.
 
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ARM said:
Doesn't she have a third option -- quit the team? If the grant money is necessary to her continuing to attend the school, then that sounds like the course of action to take.
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Quit...no such thing.
 
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With four teams all tied up at the bottom of the league this should be a very entertaining weekend of hockey in the ECAC West.

Chatham @ Potsdam
Oswego @ Cortland

Utica @ RIT - both tied for 3rd

Neumann @ Elmira - Neumann could make things interesting with a strong weekend.
 
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creasemonkey said:
Not shocking to me. I could be wrong, but I believe other SUNY schools are doing much of the same thing and it simply is unethical.
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Hmmmmmm.....anyone look at the Plattsburgh roster??

12 Americans
12 Canadians
1 England
1 South Korea

While they are near canadian border, and you might be able to explain being close to the border, just like Buffalo, they also have 2 from Alberta, 1 from Manitoba and 1 from British Columbia. They are a long way from home. Let's hope it is Coach Houle and his assistants just doing a good recruiting job.
 
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But if they do it for all international students and student-athletes then there shouldn't be anything to penalize.

I think I just stuck up for Plattsburgh. This snow is getting to me.
 
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I find this very disappointing on a couple of levels. Besides the ethics question here, why are state funded American schools offering money to foreign students that's not available to our own students (or student/athletes)? No disrespect to my Canadian friends, but if I am not mistaken, Canadian schools offer reduced pricing to their citizens. Why are we subsidizing their education at our tax payers' expense? If I were still a NYS taxpayer, I would be seriously looking into this and quite upset if ithe situation gave advantage to Canadians or any foreign citizen over my daughter. I believe there was a similar conversation in one of the Minnesota threads.
 
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creasemonkey said:
Not shocking to me. I could be wrong, but I believe other SUNY schools are doing much of the same thing and it simply is unethical.
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This is a problem that has plagued schools like Cortland for a long time..... trying to recruit with a different set of rules. Cortland does not contrive ways to give money to attract Canadians. Oswego and some of the other schools may see a change in some of their recruits for next year. I know that Oswego was planning to bring in at least 3 Canadian defense for next season.
 
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Plugger said:
Hmmmmmm.....anyone look at the Plattsburgh roster??

12 Americans
12 Canadians
1 England
1 South Korea

While they are near canadian border, and you might be able to explain being close to the border, just like Buffalo, they also have 2 from Alberta, 1 from Manitoba and 1 from British Columbia. They are a long way from home. Let's hope it is Coach Houle and his assistants just doing a good recruiting job.
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Suspect, as well as SUNY Potsdam.
 
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GHF said:
I find this very disappointing on a couple of levels. Besides the ethics question here, why are state funded American schools offering money to foreign students that's not available to our own students (or student/athletes)? No disrespect to my Canadian friends, but if I am not mistaken, Canadian schools offer reduced pricing to their citizens. Why are we subsidizing their education at our tax payers' expense? If I were still a NYS taxpayer, I would be seriously looking into this and quite upset if ithe situation gave advantage to Canadians or any foreign citizen over my daughter. I believe there was a similar conversation in one of the Minnesota threads.
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I absolutely agree. As an American taxpayer and former NYS employee of a SUNY school, who is working to put my own kids through college, I have a problem with subsidizing the education of others - if anyone thinks that's selfish, sorry! I brought this issue up a couple of years ago (at the school at which I was employed).
 
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creasemonkey said:
Suspect, as well as SUNY Potsdam.
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Many Northern (near the border) US schools have lots of Canadians. Look at the recruit listings of Clarkson and SLU and even RMU for that matter.

Most of these schools are trying to put the best possible quality product on the ice. Without these options to attract North of the border talent, some of these schools might not be running Hockey programs. I suspect this is more true on the Men's than the Women's side.
 
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OnMAA said:
Many Northern (near the border) US schools have lots of Canadians. Look at the recruit listings of Clarkson and SLU and even RMU for that matter.

Most of these schools are trying to put the best possible quality product on the ice. Without these options to attract North of the border talent, some of these schools might not be running Hockey programs. I suspect this is more true on the Men's than the Women's side.
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I think there is a big difference between athletic scholarships, like they give to D-I schools (like the one's you mentioned above) and international grants. You have to watch the fairness of the grants, where with athletic scholarships, the school has the right to spend a certain amount of money to draw hockey players to their institutions.

The question at D-III is how are these SUNY schools taking advantage of these grants, supported by the taxpayers of New York, to bring in players that can pad these rosters with strong players.
 
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