BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

[chickod]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

If they were better mentally prepared to respond to immediately respond to adversity, giving up that first goal to BC wouldn't be a major issue. You refocus, adjust your scheme if necessary, get a drink of water and get back out there. But when that first goal went in I think we all knew a second was coming soon and it'd be a bit before they began to dig themselves out of that rut, if they did.

How do you "mentally prepare" someone to respond to adversity? You LEARN that through experience. See, you can scout talent but you can't scout intangibles. So you never really know what you get until they get out there on the ice in a pressure situation at this level. Totally different than lower levels. When you take away time and space (and with it time to react), some people panic and this neutralizes their purported "talent" advantage. Now perhaps in a couple of years some of these guys won't respond the way they are now. Which is why it is so frustrating that they want to leave right away. One would think that staying another year or two would INCREASE their chances of success at the next level. Again (as I posted on another thread), what's the rush???? They'll get their money. And if they are that desperate, what's going to happen when they actually have to do a "regular" job for a living (if they suffer a career-ending injury or something)? Now you're talking about REAL adversity.

 

[BUtogether]

..well they are student athletes.. not full fledged pros yet. they are (hard to believe).. still learning.
.. geez relax & enjoy the ncaa gms.

Apparently they aren't learning because it's getting worse not better..not sure what you learn when you just keep getting rolled out there no matter what

 

[BUtogether]

+100

Exactly what a number of us have been saying, and IMO it's DIRECTLY attributable to lack of experience, maturity, composure, whatever word you want to use. Much of which can be solved by adding some experience to the "mix." I just don't see how, if BU continues down this road of "let's get all the top players we can even though we know they're going to be one and done," they can consistently win.

What experienced players are going to stick around to just be replaced by the next NHL draft pick?...only the ones who can't play anywhere else

 

[chickod]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

What experienced players are going to stick around to just be replaced by the next NHL draft pick?...only the ones who can't play anywhere else

Then it will be back to square one every year. The same issues will arise. Like rolling a ball halfway up a ramp and then having it come down again without ever reaching the top.

Unless they get lucky and happen to stumble upon the "right" players. Not much margin for error there...and maybe with so many teams now that's just the new reality we're going to have to accept. The days of a few teams dominating are over (unless you are a program that has locked up a certain "niche" - like the Montreal Canadiens, who used to automatically own the rights to every Quebec born player - before they changed the rules).

 

[BUtogether]

Then it will be back to square one every year. The same issues will arise. Like rolling a ball halfway up a ramp and then having it come down again without ever reaching the top.

Unless they get lucky and happen to stumble upon the "right" players. Not much margin for error there...and maybe with so many teams now that's just the new reality we're going to have to accept. The days of a few teams dominating are over (unless you are a program that has locked up a certain "niche" - like the Montreal Canadiens, who used to automatically own the rights to every Quebec born player - before they changed the rules).

It's the new reality under Quinn...doesn't have to be this way..Lowell seems to be doing quite well ...imagine if you recruited those type of players and added a couple of superstars like Keller..Fabbro and Oettinger

 

[chickod]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

It's the new reality under Quinn...doesn't have to be this way..Lowell seems to be doing quite well ...imagine if you recruited those type of players and added a couple of superstars like Keller..Fabbro and Oettinger

That's why I said "if BU continues down this road..." Nobody is forcing them to. There are other formulas for success. But now we're just rehashing the same stuff over and over...

 

[BU2K]

Interesting you bring up Michigan...they have one tournament appearance in the last 5 years with the young approach...when they were dominant they were heavily laden with upperclassmen

Not surprised you know so much about Michigan hockey since you live there and all.

 

[RoughEmUp]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Is BU recruiting players nobody else wants? More realistically, are there any teams that would not take BU's recent recruiting classes? BU needs to find a few solid recruits who are AHL/NHL worthy, but still benefit from a full or nearly full college career and are willing to put that time in- e.g. Megan, O'Regan, Rodrigues, Grzelcyk, etc.

I think there is something to allowing Quinn to settle into his own recruiting style and class mix. In the big picture, Quinn put BU right back on top of the recruiting world in very short order just when things were looking grim. Hopefully, BU uses that momentum to continue to attract top recruits as part of a better overall class mix going forward.

 

[BUtogether]

Not surprised you know so much about Michigan hockey since you live there and all.

Wrong again Sherlock...Minnesota hasn't done so well lately with young approach...don't live there either

 

[Lemonade]

Is BU recruiting players nobody else wants? More realistically, are there any teams that would not take BU's recent recruiting classes? BU needs to find a few solid recruits who are AHL/NHL worthy, but still benefit from a full or nearly full college career and are willing to put that time in- e.g. Megan, O'Regan, Rodrigues, Grzelcyk, etc.

I think there is something to allowing Quinn to settle into his own recruiting style and class mix. In the big picture, Quinn put BU right back on top of the recruiting world in very short order just when things were looking grim. Hopefully, BU uses that momentum to continue to attract top recruits as part of a better overall class mix going forward.

personally 8 think BU is porked. If they continue this trend of grabbing superstud they will continue this process of 2 years and done leaving the team without the glaring leadership it currently is missing. BU now is just a stepping stone and a short stop on the players path to a higher level. It's good for the player but not promising for the program as a whole. Teams full of blue chip young freshman and sophomores don't get you far as this year has shown thus far.

 

[BUtogether]

Is BU recruiting players nobody else wants? More realistically, are there any teams that would not take BU's recent recruiting classes? BU needs to find a few solid recruits who are AHL/NHL worthy, but still benefit from a full or nearly full college career and are willing to put that time in- e.g. Megan, O'Regan, Rodrigues, Grzelcyk, etc.

I think there is something to allowing Quinn to settle into his own recruiting style and class mix. In the big picture, Quinn put BU right back on top of the recruiting world in very short order just when things were looking grim. Hopefully, BU uses that momentum to continue to attract top recruits as part of a better overall class mix going forward.

BU is recruiting players that everyone wants but the question is what are they being promised to come here....it appears that no NTDP player or NHL draft pick fears ever sitting out ...at least the ones smart enough not to turn around on the bench and challenge the head coach when he doesn't get to play in OT

 

[BUtogether]

personally 8 think BU is porked. If they continue this trend of grabbing superstud they will continue this process of 2 years and done leaving the team without the glaring leadership it currently is missing. BU now is just a stepping stone and a short stop on the players path to a higher level. It's good for the player but not promising for the program as a whole. Teams full of blue chip young freshman and sophomores don't get you far as this year has shown thus far.

And you are especially screwed when the Superstud isn't a superstud

 

[J.D.]

Interesting you bring up Michigan...they have one tournament appearance in the last 5 years with the young approach...when they were dominant they were heavily laden with upperclassmen

I'm just saying being youngest team in country doesn't really matter all that much. BC has won big the last 20 years and have routinely been youngest team or top 3 youngest. Other programs win with older players. No one way to do it. Just pointing out that being young is more of an excuse than a problem.

The programs that get the best talent will always be youngest teams.

 

[BUtogether]

I'm just saying being youngest team in country doesn't really matter all that much. BC has won big the last 20 years and have routinely been youngest team or top 3 youngest. Other programs win with older players. No one way to do it. Just pointing out that being young is more of an excuse than a problem.

The programs that get the best talent will always be youngest teams.

Don't disagree but I would say York and Brown seem to make that young talent earn their playing ..hence a couple early departures before the season starts

 

[Lemonade]

And you are especially screwed when the Superstud isn't a superstud

Very true. It's great having all these flashy and new shiny toys come into the program but they aren't necessary great pieces to build a successful team.

 

[wysi]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

I'm just saying being youngest team in country doesn't really matter all that much. BC has won big the last 20 years and have routinely been youngest team or top 3 youngest. Other programs win with older players. No one way to do it. Just pointing out that being young is more of an excuse than a problem.

The programs that get the best talent will always be youngest teams.

As much as I hate to admit it, your success over the past 20 years has everything to do with the man standing behind the bench.

 

[J.D.]

As much as I hate to admit it, your success over the past 20 years has everything to do with the man standing behind the bench.

Well yes, just like lowell's has to do with bazin. My point is if you were to look at the youngest teams every year...it's always the same teams. You can win that way. Some coaches might be better at doing that.

 

[christos1968]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

It's the new reality under Quinn...doesn't have to be this way..Lowell seems to be doing quite well ...imagine if you recruited those type of players and added a couple of superstars like Keller..Fabbro and Oettinger

wait so now everybody on this site wants us to be Lowell? Really? one frozen four appearance with NO wins in the Frozen Four like Lowell? Eichel or not, Quinn has already done better than that. Or you wanna be PC- win a National championship handed to you and then fall back to the pack?
My God people we have it good. Everybody says "oh we knew this wasn't going to be the best BU team ever." well it wasn't but they have been pretty good=#7 in the Nation. Maybe not as well as we liked or expected but not bad. Maybe we get lucky and win on the road- maybe not. But continue to recruit as well as Quinn does and we will always be in the mix.
Or we can be like Lowell and NEVER WIN A FROZEN FOUR GAME!!!!
Now Lowell is who BU wants to be like. My God people- stop the whining and insanity!!!!!

 

[UML Puck Hawk]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Now Lowell is who BU wants to be like. My God people- stop the whining and insanity!!!!!

Nah, they just want a coach who can do his job on the ice at a higher level than prime Tim Whitehead.

 

[Bumbles]

Re: BU 2017 Season Thread III: Terriers falling (into the off season)

Is there any update on whether Olsson will be playing tomorrow? I think the fact that he was on the ice earlier this week (despite the non-contact jersey) means there's a chance?