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Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Ya, bench Robo. That's an idea. Sorry, but if you want all the good that he gives you, then you have to live with the penalties.

In the last 2 games he's played, he has 2 goals and 2 assists, plus-4 and 7 shots on goal.

He is what he is: A horse. Penalties or no penalties.

I am not that troubled by Robo's penalties except the head-butting one last week. I am more concerned with the penalties taken by others such as Mike Juola. Last week at Clarkson he took a bad one - tripping - that led to the winning PP goal and then last night he gets another one.

Having said that - Bruno is on a roll. Go Bears!!
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

It appears as though someone on the Yale staff got to the refs before tonight's game. The ECAC won't be taken seriously until the officiating gets cleaned up.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Penalty minutes are 41-4. This is a joke.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Are you seriously blaming this on bribed officials?

I'm not going to say the officials were bribed, but there's something suspect. I'm going to take it from the referee Kevin Curtis.

First, a quick google search of "Kevin Curtis Hockey Ref" reveals a Fairfield grad who works in the Greater New York area. Okay, so he's a Connecticut guy.

Second, here are the results of games Curtis has reffed involving Yale:

-1/11/14 at Madison Square Garden against Harvard. Yale wins 4-1. Harvard took penalties late in the second that killed any chance of a comeback.
-Tonight

How does a guy like that get these two games? Both are relatively big games, and both happened at opportune moments for Yale. I don't believe the game was fixed, but I believe his assignment - this is only the second game he's reffed for Yale all year - is suspect. How do they vet and assign refs? How come CJ Hanafin, who gets the majority of Yale games, all of a sudden is unav'l? I just think it stinks to high hell. And now they put orange stripes on his arms and he's made the primary ref over Andy O'Brien? Alex Dell must have had the night off. But to be honest, the calls were suspect, and they were decidedly not calling it down the middle. The calls, for lack of a better term, stunk and were unfair and uneven.

FWIW - Curtis did zero Yale home games last year.

I watched the game, and I think the first 15 minutes were some of the most egregiously bad officiating I've ever seen. ECAC has done a good job of improving. They're not great, but they're not the primary storyline. Tonight, after Brown beat Yale and clearly outclassed them for a second time, they send an inexperienced ref to Ingalls Rink for a game that's clearly a rivalry? Did everyone else call out sick? All you needed to do was see the amount of 5-on-3's Yale got, compare that to the fact that Middleton was hauled down on a break down broadway with no call, and the ticky tack nature of everything and the story was set. Brown had to overcome the officials tonight. We should never know the refs names. Instead, I resort to researching to see this guys extensive history involving Yale. one game. At MSG. Against Harvard. And Yale won it, 5-1.

After the first 15 minutes, things calmed down. But at the same time, the damage was done. The rest of the game was irretrievably sent into a throwaway category because of that. And the fact that this guy wouldn't so much as dare to skate near Brendan Whittet led me to turn to a Yale fan and ask "Am I missing something here?"

Response: "No. Your coach will probably rip his head off. I have no idea what's going on."

And what the heck was Lamacchia tossed for? The box score said "Slew-footing?" Oh and that carries with it a DQ according to Collegehockeystats. SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

Or the 20 minute goal review? This is bad officiating pure and simple. It wasn't fixed, but the ECAC assigned some joke of a ref to this game and after looking at his name on the jersey, I checked the box score and did some homework.

My guess? Someone called out sick and he was around. And the league got what it deserved by this game being called into question by way of integrity because one of the following two things happened:

1) They planned to have this guy there and that's not good. 2) They plugged him in last minute and that's probably worse.

(It's either that or this game was totally fixed. That's the only possible explanation.)

But hey Yale won. So the league should be happy because they got the result they probably wanted - the #10 team (seriously?) gets a win instead of losing three games this year to a team that's behind them in the Pairwise. They get to protect their precious commodity known as the defending national champ and might actually get the fourth team in if Yale can hold on. It's too bad, really. This robbed us of what could've been a really great game.

Apologies to Yale fans; I know that you guys are probably happy with this result, but even you have to admit the game stunk to holy hell with this bad officiating in a year when ECAC has shown some improvement.

/rant. Okay I'm done. I'll now return to my delicious King Cobra to go drown the rest of this game away.
 
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Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Humanoid just said everything I could have possibly said, so I'm not even going to say anything. Congrats to the refs for a quality win.

And no disrespect to any Yale fans- I actually picked Yale to win this game anyway. I just figured it'd be a fair fight.
 
Humanoid just said everything I could have possibly said, so I'm not even going to say anything. Congrats to the refs for a quality win.

And no disrespect to any Yale fans- I actually picked Yale to win this game anyway. I just figured it'd be a fair fight.

At least Brendan whittet didn't go after anyone even though I'm sure he wanted to. I doubt he blamed Keith Allain (which will be a rarity).

Rick Bennett from Union went after Seth Appert yesterday in Albany. There's video up on various website and Buccigross tweeted it out last night. So at least we weren't the only ones.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Conveniently forgotten is the hit fro behind on Ward ( who did not return) that set the tone for the game. Brown as a team lost it's collective chit thereafter. Brown has a reputation over the last few years of being too chippy, maybe the newer player safety consciousvrefs are making them pay? BTW, you were not allowed to complain about goals waved off in your favor. Probably see you guys in the playoffs.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

At least Brendan whittet didn't go after anyone even though I'm sure he wanted to. I doubt he blamed Keith Allain (which will be a rarity).Rick Bennett from Union went after Seth Appert yesterday in Albany. There's video up on various website and Buccigross tweeted it out last night. So at least we weren't the only ones.

Here's a photo from today's TU. I was at the game. It was quite comical.

http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Brawl-eclipses-RPI-s-win-5175997.php
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Conveniently forgotten is the hit fro behind on Ward ( who did not return) that set the tone for the game. Brown as a team lost it's collective chit thereafter. Brown has a reputation over the last few years of being too chippy, maybe the newer player safety consciousvrefs are making them pay? BTW, you were not allowed to complain about goals waved off in your favor. Probably see you guys in the playoffs.

Conveniently forgotten beyond that is the hit of a Brown player into the stanchion next to his bench Max Pacioretty style that led to the retaliation. Doesn't make Pryzbek's retaliation justifiable or right. He definitely shouldn't have made that hit. But..........................

I'm not complaining about the final. I'm just saying the refs were suspect. If they're making reputation calls, then that makes them even worse. You have to be able to separate the rest of the year from the 60 minutes you're watching. If you're making reputation calls, you're contributing to a reason why he should never be allowed to ref another game ever again. BUT I will say this - down the stretch, the reffing made some ticky tack calls against the Yalies too.

I hope we see you guys down the road. This can't be hte last game of the year. It left too foul of a taste, and I'd love to see them go head-to-head in a classic like that 1-0 game from 2010 or some of the other great ones we've seen through the years.
 
Conveniently forgotten is the hit fro behind on Ward ( who did not return) that set the tone for the game. Brown as a team lost it's collective chit thereafter. Brown has a reputation over the last few years of being too chippy, maybe the newer player safety consciousvrefs are making them pay? BTW, you were not allowed to complain about goals waved off in your favor. Probably see you guys in the playoffs.

Fine, the Pryzbek call was deserving. But you know what? 48-8. That was the final penalty minutes total. I'm sorry, but there's no universe in which that's a justly-called game. The home team (and defending national champ) doesn't get two 5x3 opportunities in the first 5 minutes of the game in a game where the officials have no bias.

No, the refs last night had no interest in seeing the two teams decide the result. After the first ten minutes, three goals, and two ejections, the game was over and nothing else even mattered.

Like I said before, I believe Yale would have won the game no matter what. But I don't believe under ANY other circumstances (unless maybe the whole Brown team caught the flu) they would have won 6-0 against a team that has outscored them 7-2 this season.

Credit to Whittet for not losing his ****. Hopefully we'll see you in the playoffs so we have another crack at each other.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Fine, the Pryzbek call was deserving. But you know what? 48-8. That was the final penalty minutes total. I'm sorry, but there's no universe in which that's a justly-called game. The home team (and defending national champ) doesn't get two 5x3 opportunities in the first 5 minutes of the game in a game where the officials have no bias.

I didn't necessarily think the Pryzbek call warranted five at first, but when Ward didn't return, that one appeared justifiable. It wouldn't have been necessary, though, had the hit on Harlow been called seconds earlier. Pryzbek was policing the game, and he took the call.

The interceding minutes were not the Bears' best this season. The first goal was a bad one that Steel let through the five-hole on a nice, but saveable, shot from Fallen - who was a different player at home than in the game at Brown, in my humble opinion. The second goal, though, resulted when Steel couldn't cover a puck, had a man to his left in the crease, and three players, including one of his own, converging on the puck. To add insult to injury, they took Goldberg off as well, resulting in the second 5x3, which I honestly didn't understand.

The third goal, though, resulted during the 5x3, which became a 5x2 when Robertson lost his stick. A Yale player did kick the stick away, not called. In the minutes following, Middleton was pulled down in the slot making a cut. No call. The Lamacchia penalty, a slew kick, was downright ridiculous, as he was jostling with Beattie for several seconds - watching the replay on the ILDN, it looked like Lamacchia got frustrated, turned, a swung his gloves in the direction of a guy who is 8 inches taller than him, and their legs were MAYBE tangled. That penalty was downright awful - and even Yale fans in my general area were surprised.

What surprised me was how quickly it unraveled. The game was over four minutes in. The backhander by Agostino - a brilliant goal, incidentally - really stifled any chance the Bears may have had at any kind of comeback.

To another point made here, I don't necessarily think the Bears have a reputation of being "chippy." Feisty? Sure. Punch-you-in-the-mouth hockey, when the situation warrants it? Maybe. But to consider that reputation impacts the call from a guy you haven't seen all year is disappointing. Indeed, with Lamacchia (LAMACCHIA) getting two DQ's on consecutive shifts reeks of a guy looking at a boxscore and making a judgment.

My concern is no longer in the past, but next weekend. Cornell and Colgate are good - and playing very, very well of late. Two straight losses and the Bears find themselves in the 7-9 conversation, with a roadtrip to Union and RPI ahead. I would hate to think that the team has peaked, that this loss (and that period) is a harbinger of things to come, and that the sky is falling. I think we'll know, though, very, very quickly on Friday.

My final seven:
1. Boy, do the Bears need Pfeil healthy. No disrespect to Joey D, Goldberg, or Wood, but Pfeil has logged a lot of special teams minutes, even strength minutes, crunch time minutes.
2. Boy, does this team need a second consistent center to emerge. Probably was starting to be Massimo, but, you know, he's become the Bob Probert/Tiger Williams/Stan Jonathan of the ECAC. Except Massimo is not 6'4.
3. Boy, does this team need Tyler Steel to have a short memory.
4. Boy, it would be great to have a great crowd Friday night with a hoop game next door. Can't remember the last time we had consecutive "sellouts," much less three crowds consecutive in front of a decent house.
5. Boy, I wish I could have Brendan Whittet's will power on Saturday for at least a handful of my own life experiences. How he didn't incur a bench penalty of any kind - particularly in lieu of what transpired in Albany - is beyond me.
6. Boy, am I enjoying watching Naclerio-Lappin-Lorito. Every time on the ice they have a chance - and I think they pressed a little this past weekend, to the point of almost becoming disjointed.
7. Boy, am I glad to be part of this thread. Glanced over at the RPI-Union threads just to get their takes on the events of last night, and there is just downright abhorrence for one another - and it's personal! It's amazing how tough some people get behind their keyboards. Or sad.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

7. Boy, am I glad to be part of this thread. Glanced over at the RPI-Union threads just to get their takes on the events of last night, and there is just downright abhorrence for one another - and it's personal! It's amazing how tough some people get behind their keyboards. Or sad.

Glad I could chime in here and still have a reasonable debate, the northern teams posters tend to take it all a little over the top. I sometimes post on the RPI threads ( most active here, and you get league info that you would not get on most threads for other ECAC schools) and I am amazed at the neg rep and venom that comes back my way sometimes. It's alright to have productive back and forth, but they are over the top. I will look back on the hit on Harlow on ILDN and give my take, as i really did not notice it in person at the game. Even if it was as bad as stated, does two guys getting hurt really help, I know, the hockey code, but that is the style (lets call it aggressively hard-nosed) Brown is known for. I still twitch when I hear the name Harry lol.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Just checked the start of the game, the ILDN shows the start of the Harlow hit but not any impact or resulting outcome, so I really can't judge. I find it interesting that the announcers who are 50' above the Brown bench did not react to the hit. I know the announcers are students, but the female announcer actually played and knows hockey and tends to overreact to hard hits. The Ward hit penalty was deserving due to the Brown player skating across the entire width of the ice just to take him out, it looks from the replay that Ward hit the boards head first, hopefully he is OK. Tough to see the slew footing from the camera angle, really can't comment other than the Yale player was taken down. Just my take from the replays.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

Glad I could chime in here and still have a reasonable debate, the northern teams posters tend to take it all a little over the top. I sometimes post on the RPI threads ( most active here, and you get league info that you would not get on most threads for other ECAC schools) and I am amazed at the neg rep and venom that comes back my way sometimes. It's alright to have productive back and forth, but they are over the top. I will look back on the hit on Harlow on ILDN and give my take, as i really did not notice it in person at the game. Even if it was as bad as stated, does two guys getting hurt really help, I know, the hockey code, but that is the style (lets call it aggressively hard-nosed) Brown is known for. I still twitch when I hear the name Harry lol.

LT- I've seen (and had stupid disputes with) people on those threads, and I am grateful that we generally seem to have thoughtful discussion over here (more or less).

Brown's a totally different team now than when Harry (and Volpatti, and Bobby Farnham, and several others) played. Back then, the team would sometimes lose its cool and do stupid, dirty things. They got chippy almost immediately every game.

This team (and last year's) is smart, composed, and physical, rather than cheap. Hathaway can be an instigator, but he's not out to injure- just to get under your skin. There's no one on this team who goes out of his way to make a borderline illegal hit. They'd rather outskate you, and they usually do (just ask Denver and BC fans about that), with exceptions like Saturday night, of course.

BrunoFan00- bravo! What an excellent post. I'm with you- let's put this debacle in the past and focus on two of the best teams in the league coming to town on Friday and Saturday.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

LT- I've seen (and had stupid disputes with) people on those threads, and I am grateful that we generally seem to have thoughtful discussion over here (more or less).

Brown's a totally different team now than when Harry (and Volpatti, and Bobby Farnham, and several others) played. Back then, the team would sometimes lose its cool and do stupid, dirty things. They got chippy almost immediately every game.

This team (and last year's) is smart, composed, and physical, rather than cheap. Hathaway can be an instigator, but he's not out to injure- just to get under your skin. There's no one on this team who goes out of his way to make a borderline illegal hit. They'd rather outskate you, and they usually do (just ask Denver and BC fans about that), with exceptions like Saturday night, of course.

BrunoFan00- bravo! What an excellent post. I'm with you- let's put this debacle in the past and focus on two of the best teams in the league coming to town on Friday and Saturday.

Great post, funny thing is, since Yale lost it's only real instigator in Borbounais, we seem to have lost a step. For whatever reason Yale found it's forecheck again last night, when that happens, woe the opponent .
 
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