Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
There may be a problem getting him into the school next year. Academics....
There may be a problem getting him into the school next year. Academics....
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Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
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UML Puck Hawk
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Frozen four last year. Maybe your son didn't enroll yet, but that's fairly recent
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
amazing isn't it. guess a 5 year national title drought is simply unacceptable. even when there were 2 FF appearances in that time.
amazing isn't it. guess a 5 year national title drought is simply unacceptable. even when there were 2 FF appearances in that time.
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
As for losing the recruiting battles, that is the one area where I say ok, York's age is working against him. I do think the age difference between Quinn and York is a huge reason why BU is winning those battles. It's why I am curious what they are telling recruits. Are they telling them that Greg Brown is the coach in waiting? Because that would certainly help. If they aren't doing that and Greg Brown is not necessarily the coach in waiting, then you can run into recruiting losses.
As for losing the recruiting battles, that is the one area where I say ok, York's age is working against him. I do think the age difference between Quinn and York is a huge reason why BU is winning those battles. It's why I am curious what they are telling recruits. Are they telling them that Greg Brown is the coach in waiting? Because that would certainly help. If they aren't doing that and Greg Brown is not necessarily the coach in waiting, then you can run into recruiting losses.
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
You sound like Trump supporter. Thats dumb
You sound like Trump supporter. Thats dumb
Friend_of_BU_Hockey
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Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
A great, legendary HC is only as good as his assistants. York was at his best w/ Cav as his right-hand man. I'm not sure if Brown nor McInnis have "it" from a coaching and recruiting standpoint compared to Cav.
It's somewhat similar to BU during Parker's final years. When Quinn left in 2009 and Parker promoted Bavis and hired Buddy Powers, recruiting, coaching and player development were all impacted. For as loyal as Bavis was to BU, he lacked the "it" factor that Quinn has and unfortunately hasn't had a steady coaching gig since departing BU. Powers was a strange hire given his age and the # of years he'd been away from coaching.
It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next few years. Will BC become what BU was for much of the 2000s? Or will they be able to sustain the incredibly high standard that they've set?
A great, legendary HC is only as good as his assistants. York was at his best w/ Cav as his right-hand man. I'm not sure if Brown nor McInnis have "it" from a coaching and recruiting standpoint compared to Cav.
It's somewhat similar to BU during Parker's final years. When Quinn left in 2009 and Parker promoted Bavis and hired Buddy Powers, recruiting, coaching and player development were all impacted. For as loyal as Bavis was to BU, he lacked the "it" factor that Quinn has and unfortunately hasn't had a steady coaching gig since departing BU. Powers was a strange hire given his age and the # of years he'd been away from coaching.
It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next few years. Will BC become what BU was for much of the 2000s? Or will they be able to sustain the incredibly high standard that they've set?
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Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
One of the more common themes that I've touched on over here is the lack of identity that the BC teams have not been able to form the past few years.
We went from a program that loaded up on speed and skill, regardless of size, and would skate circles around teams and win national titles and HE titles to ??????. What exactly are we trying to do here again? Those kids also stayed 3-4 years. Now we just go after the mercs and watch the door constantly revolve. I'm ok if we want to go with bigger, overaged kids (prefer not but let's beat the QPac and Lowells at their own game and force them to keep adjusting) and do what say Bazin is doing. They are so gd good at what they do. They have an identity and stick to it and win a lot of games with it. They are tough to play against every night. BC was tough to play against in other ways ... and had discipline. Not any more. They get pushed around. They get beaten to pucks. They lose battles. They have zero guys that can take over a game on this roster. Pretty rare to say that and when you would say that, it was usually a roster that was absolutely loaded up and down with skill in quantity that made up for it.
Lately it just seems like they recruit a mixed bag of kids, thrown them on the ice together, it looks like they don't even practice together (ahem... last night) and of course based on skill alone they will win some games but come tournament time you need to have an identity and have things figured out. They stopped winning postseason tournaments when they got away from what they did. That was BC's identity and they won with it. Now.... our identity is a coach with an eye-patch coaching teams that are pushovers in the tournaments.
For a program that didn't do all that well garnering RS titles but was built for the post-season for a long time, they have reversed course and now have done well in the RS with rosters that simply won't cut it over a stretch of games vs tough tournament teams come March and April.
One of the more common themes that I've touched on over here is the lack of identity that the BC teams have not been able to form the past few years.
We went from a program that loaded up on speed and skill, regardless of size, and would skate circles around teams and win national titles and HE titles to ??????. What exactly are we trying to do here again? Those kids also stayed 3-4 years. Now we just go after the mercs and watch the door constantly revolve. I'm ok if we want to go with bigger, overaged kids (prefer not but let's beat the QPac and Lowells at their own game and force them to keep adjusting) and do what say Bazin is doing. They are so gd good at what they do. They have an identity and stick to it and win a lot of games with it. They are tough to play against every night. BC was tough to play against in other ways ... and had discipline. Not any more. They get pushed around. They get beaten to pucks. They lose battles. They have zero guys that can take over a game on this roster. Pretty rare to say that and when you would say that, it was usually a roster that was absolutely loaded up and down with skill in quantity that made up for it.
Lately it just seems like they recruit a mixed bag of kids, thrown them on the ice together, it looks like they don't even practice together (ahem... last night) and of course based on skill alone they will win some games but come tournament time you need to have an identity and have things figured out. They stopped winning postseason tournaments when they got away from what they did. That was BC's identity and they won with it. Now.... our identity is a coach with an eye-patch coaching teams that are pushovers in the tournaments.
For a program that didn't do all that well garnering RS titles but was built for the post-season for a long time, they have reversed course and now have done well in the RS with rosters that simply won't cut it over a stretch of games vs tough tournament teams come March and April.
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
Brown and Ayers are well regarded and I'd be concerned if this were happening say 10 years ago when York was around 60. But at age 70 or whatever he is, I don't anticipate him coaching too much longer. Where as with BU, they underachieved for a much longer stretch under Parker.
Brown and Ayers are well regarded and I'd be concerned if this were happening say 10 years ago when York was around 60. But at age 70 or whatever he is, I don't anticipate him coaching too much longer. Where as with BU, they underachieved for a much longer stretch under Parker.
defkit
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Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
Reading these recent posts is like going into a time machine and gaping back 5-8 years for BU fans. Like Parker, York has had an amazing career. Historical success, viewed as a legend. York has had more "recent" success than Parker's 1 FF in 16 year FF drought, but the concerns are similar. Recruiting battles are being lost to your cross-town rival.
The reality is that eventually, age becomes an issue. The ability of a coach in his 70's (or whatever) to relate to what is going on in the lives of these kids, versus a mid-40s coach is significant. The Quinn/Cavanaugh era of coaches either have kids or are around kids that are similar in age to these players. Parker, York, may have grandkids of that age, but it isn't the same. Parker even admitted that he couldn't relate to these kids. Maybe the same is happening with York.
I have always had a tremendous respect for York. The way he turned BC around after the scholarship mess and the lack of talent was pretty remarkable. But I do think it would be better for the program if he retired. I know Cavanaugh is supposedly committed to UConn, but getting him in would have an immediate impact in recruiting, IMHO, just as Quinn did at BU.
That all being said, York should stay for 10 more years.
Reading these recent posts is like going into a time machine and gaping back 5-8 years for BU fans. Like Parker, York has had an amazing career. Historical success, viewed as a legend. York has had more "recent" success than Parker's 1 FF in 16 year FF drought, but the concerns are similar. Recruiting battles are being lost to your cross-town rival.
The reality is that eventually, age becomes an issue. The ability of a coach in his 70's (or whatever) to relate to what is going on in the lives of these kids, versus a mid-40s coach is significant. The Quinn/Cavanaugh era of coaches either have kids or are around kids that are similar in age to these players. Parker, York, may have grandkids of that age, but it isn't the same. Parker even admitted that he couldn't relate to these kids. Maybe the same is happening with York.
I have always had a tremendous respect for York. The way he turned BC around after the scholarship mess and the lack of talent was pretty remarkable. But I do think it would be better for the program if he retired. I know Cavanaugh is supposedly committed to UConn, but getting him in would have an immediate impact in recruiting, IMHO, just as Quinn did at BU.
That all being said, York should stay for 10 more years.
UML Puck Hawk
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Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
I get the feeling from the BU thread that Quinn may be making big promises of playing time. I wonder if York has had to do that in the past/is comfortable making those kinds of promises to one/two and dones as opposed to the 3-4 year players he has usually be able to pull in
I get the feeling from the BU thread that Quinn may be making big promises of playing time. I wonder if York has had to do that in the past/is comfortable making those kinds of promises to one/two and dones as opposed to the 3-4 year players he has usually be able to pull in
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
The unknown is if Greg Brown is the next guy (with the current AD resigning, who knows what will happen) or if they will open it up to guys like Cav etc. If they can determine Brown is the next guy, that SHOULD work in recruiting. I just don't know if that's what's happening.
The unknown is if Greg Brown is the next guy (with the current AD resigning, who knows what will happen) or if they will open it up to guys like Cav etc. If they can determine Brown is the next guy, that SHOULD work in recruiting. I just don't know if that's what's happening.
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
If they were telling recruits about Brown being a de facto HC-in-waiting, you can bet that info would be out there, especially to kids they lose out on.
If they were telling recruits about Brown being a de facto HC-in-waiting, you can bet that info would be out there, especially to kids they lose out on.
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
Right. Well do you mean that we as fans would have heard that by now thru twitter or whatever?
Right. Well do you mean that we as fans would have heard that by now thru twitter or whatever?
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
Also, I really think people underestimate the impact of the coaching change over at BU. Much like the change at BC turned around the two programs in the mid-1990s, I think bringing Quinn in turned the tides completely again and has made it difficult for BC to win recruiting battles. When you're going head-to-head like this in the recruiting game, think of the implications of a few losses on this front, you take the hit twice, one on each side of the line effectively.
Also, I really think people underestimate the impact of the coaching change over at BU. Much like the change at BC turned around the two programs in the mid-1990s, I think bringing Quinn in turned the tides completely again and has made it difficult for BC to win recruiting battles. When you're going head-to-head like this in the recruiting game, think of the implications of a few losses on this front, you take the hit twice, one on each side of the line effectively.
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
Nothing lasts forever. Trite but true.
Nothing lasts forever. Trite but true.
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
In this internet age it would be everywhere. They do a good job of keeping things in-house as we all know but if you're pitching Brown to a recruit that is not even committed yet (and more so one that commits elsewhere later on), it would be well-known in the hockey world. Those kids would have no reason after committing to another school not to mention that.
In this internet age it would be everywhere. They do a good job of keeping things in-house as we all know but if you're pitching Brown to a recruit that is not even committed yet (and more so one that commits elsewhere later on), it would be well-known in the hockey world. Those kids would have no reason after committing to another school not to mention that.
Re: Boston College Eagles 2016-2017 Season Thread
I agree. I thought BU would get better but I did not expect them to turn into a recruiting machine so fast without on ice results to back it up. I don't even think BU fans expected the recruiting machine they have now.
I agree. I thought BU would get better but I did not expect them to turn into a recruiting machine so fast without on ice results to back it up. I don't even think BU fans expected the recruiting machine they have now.