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Big Ten 2015-2016

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fightingsiouxfan16 said:
I dont believe they will ever join a conference fully.
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I think it's only a matter of time, like Gurt said, before the money changes that equation. Conferences are running away from Notre Dame in the TV money game. I think the SEC network is even ahead of them now.
 
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Nope. That's the Holy War I believe. Don't think that one is very old or played as much as Purdue.
 
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Imagine Notre Dame in the Big Ten Championship game in Indianapolis.

Would be another bowl game for them.


I'm guessing they've imagined it too. Unfortunately, they'd most likely be put in the east, so they'd be playing Iowa, UW or Nebraska.

Still would be a big game.
 
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(Edit: This is in response to the 'will ND ever join a conference fully'/TV revenue discussion earlier)

Conversely, does anyone else get the impression that TV revenue (especially that tied to cable networks) is a bubble that might burst some time soon? Or if not burst, at least deflate?
 
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Someone had asked "what's changed?" I think it's simple. Before, I believe the Big Ten had a stance with Notre Dame of "you're welcome to join, but you must join for all sports." Notre Dame has always said no, wanting to hold onto their football independence. The ACC was wiling to budge on that. Now it looks like the Big Ten is willing to budge as well.

In 10-15 years, I see Notre Dame either A) having a similar arrangement they currently have with the ACC with the Big Ten, or B) being in the conference fully. I think scenario A can work out if they figure out the TV end of things. If 3 football games per year were on BTN since they'd be at a Big Ten stadium without letting Notre Dame have a large stake in the network, I could see something being worked out where Notre Dame keeps their independence, keeps their NBC stuff, and the Big Ten & BTN benefits as a whole.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
(Edit: This is in response to the 'will ND ever join a conference fully'/TV revenue discussion earlier)

Conversely, does anyone else get the impression that TV revenue (especially that tied to cable networks) is a bubble that might burst some time soon? Or if not burst, at least deflate?
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It is a bubble and it will burst at some point. However, the Big Ten is still king. Research, brand, athletics, the whole shebang. It's the king of the conferences for a reason. I'm not trying to be a dick, but there's a reason that even Minnesota is ranked in the top ten of publics.
 
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SOTA said:
Someone had asked "what's changed?" I think it's simple. Before, I believe the Big Ten had a stance with Notre Dame of "you're welcome to join, but you must join for all sports." Notre Dame has always said no, wanting to hold onto their football independence. The ACC was wiling to budge on that. Now it looks like the Big Ten is willing to budge as well.

In 10-15 years, I see Notre Dame either A) having a similar arrangement they currently have with the ACC with the Big Ten, or B) being in the conference fully. I think scenario A can work out if they figure out the TV end of things. If 3 football games per year were on BTN since they'd be at a Big Ten stadium without letting Notre Dame have a large stake in the network, I could see something being worked out where Notre Dame keeps their independence, keeps their NBC stuff, and the Big Ten & BTN benefits as a whole.
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Copied from GPL earlier this month:
dxmnkd316 said:
Our embargo of <strike>Cuba</strike> Notre Dame with the ultimatum they have to give up <strike>communism</strike> football independence hasn't worked for the last fifty years. Maybe both the US and the Big Ten realize exclusionist policies aren't working.

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So I think you're right.

dxmnkd316 said:
I think (hope) the Big Ten is realizing the embargo hasn't worked. So why not start with some associate memberships to get their fanbase used to the idea of being a member of the Big Ten. Will hockey do much to help that? Nope. But it's a start.
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dxmnkd316 said:
Notre Dame would get all of the quality opponents and rivals they need in the Big Ten. If I had to guess, they are currently evaluating which games are most valuable. Michigan, Stanford, USC, Navy, Michigan State, Purdue are the ones that come to mind immediately. Three of those are not in the big ten. I could see them scheduling one or two of those a season.

Not to distract us from the original discussion though.
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The 'Fightin Harbaugh's' have not been, or are on the ND schedule for a number of years. So, the USC, Navy games should be safe.
 
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SOTA said:
Someone had asked "what's changed?" I think it's simple. Before, I believe the Big Ten had a stance with Notre Dame of "you're welcome to join, but you must join for all sports." Notre Dame has always said no, wanting to hold onto their football independence. The ACC was wiling to budge on that. Now it looks like the Big Ten is willing to budge as well.

In 10-15 years, I see Notre Dame either A) having a similar arrangement they currently have with the ACC with the Big Ten, or B) being in the conference fully. I think scenario A can work out if they figure out the TV end of things. If 3 football games per year were on BTN since they'd be at a Big Ten stadium without letting Notre Dame have a large stake in the network, I could see something being worked out where Notre Dame keeps their independence, keeps their NBC stuff, and the Big Ten & BTN benefits as a whole.
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Possibly. Though I believe (not sure) that one of the reasons Notre Dame had a preference for the ACC was that it included more private institutions, like themselves (BC, Duke, Wake, Miami, now Syracuse). I think in a few years it may come down to are the travel costs for all of the sports too much/outweigh wanting to be with more private institutions.
 
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LordofBrewtown said:
Possibly. Though I believe (not sure) that one of the reasons Notre Dame had a preference for the ACC was that it included more private institutions, like themselves (BC, Duke, Wake, Miami, now Syracuse). I think in a few years it may come down to are the travel costs for all of the sports too much/outweigh wanting to be with more private institutions.
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I think it will come down to the faculty pressing the athletic department to give up their insistence on being independent so that the faculty can join the CIC and likely the AAU eventually. The athletic department is going to be getting a lot of pressure to keep up financially as well. The Big Ten and the SEC have massive network contracts. The BTN is effectively an independent channel not propped up by ESPN, unlike the SEC and Longhorn networks. It's owned by the schools and Fox (49/51 though this used to be reversed). The SEC network is owned 100% by ESPN and I couldn't find ownership stakes in the LHN, but some sources say it's also owned 100% by ESPN.

The TV bubble may burst but the BTN is there to stay since it doesn't have to bid on its own rights.

Spartanforlife4 said:
I would count not on the schedule for at least the next 12 years as a number of years.
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Point taken.
 
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LordofBrewtown said:
Possibly. Though I believe (not sure) that one of the reasons Notre Dame had a preference for the ACC was that it included more private institutions, like themselves (BC, Duke, Wake, Miami, now Syracuse). I think in a few years it may come down to are the travel costs for all of the sports too much/outweigh wanting to be with more private institutions.
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If true, that's a good point.

Probably comes down to what's most important to them. Personally, I think if they're able to keep football independence, they'd sacrifice the private preference for travel and the schools that they'd be playing. But I have nothing to back that claim other than a gut instinct.
 
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