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Big Ten 2015-2016
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SCSU Euro
Well-known member
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
Too similar to Jockstock, likes the B1G Mistake. Just can't do it. Not one of us. (yes, I know the reference. Own the movie, phenomenal movie).
Too similar to Jockstock, likes the B1G Mistake. Just can't do it. Not one of us. (yes, I know the reference. Own the movie, phenomenal movie).
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
If Pizzo says so, its not far away from in the bank. He's got a pretty important role. He's not just some random poster. For what reason would he just make something like that up?
If Pizzo says so, its not far away from in the bank. He's got a pretty important role. He's not just some random poster. For what reason would he just make something like that up?
Middle Street
Well-known member
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
He didn't really say much of anything. I'm sure he's trustworthy but how long is long?
He didn't really say much of anything. I'm sure he's trustworthy but how long is long?
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
While I'm pretty sure we are hearing rumors of totally different schools, the one I'm aware of had it's path kind of put on hold thanks to some economic changes in the Far East.
I'm still hoping that ground breaking can start this year for the rink.
Lots of things in play out west.
While I'm pretty sure we are hearing rumors of totally different schools, the one I'm aware of had it's path kind of put on hold thanks to some economic changes in the Far East.
I'm still hoping that ground breaking can start this year for the rink.
Lots of things in play out west.
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
I agree with your sentiments, but new and shiny are not legitimate reasons.
There are different parties involved: the broader B1G conference, the broader PAC12 conference, the ASU hockey program, and the B1G hockey programs. PAC12 a big winner...it helps get the conference going in a completely new sport and gets access to the entire BTN hockey portfolio (not a small prize). The B1G gets some TV sets in AZ (and possibly other places in the SW)...maybe moves BTN to another tier. I think it attracts like no eye balls. The ASU and its program is the top winner...it gets instant legitimacy and a league with some of the biggest/top educational schools across the nation. The B1G hockey...gets, well...a further watered down conference and to be a pawn.
While I agree its tops on probability, I am not a fan.
I agree with your sentiments, but new and shiny are not legitimate reasons.
There are different parties involved: the broader B1G conference, the broader PAC12 conference, the ASU hockey program, and the B1G hockey programs. PAC12 a big winner...it helps get the conference going in a completely new sport and gets access to the entire BTN hockey portfolio (not a small prize). The B1G gets some TV sets in AZ (and possibly other places in the SW)...maybe moves BTN to another tier. I think it attracts like no eye balls. The ASU and its program is the top winner...it gets instant legitimacy and a league with some of the biggest/top educational schools across the nation. The B1G hockey...gets, well...a further watered down conference and to be a pawn.
While I agree its tops on probability, I am not a fan.
Dirty
#BanBiddy
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
The B1G already has a lot of eyeballs out west. There are a lot of alumni out there.
But I still think many are missing the bigger picture. ASU as a school is far more like all of the B1G schools than ANY other school that plays hockey. And just as important, the athletic department is far more like B1G schools than any other school- with the possible exception of ND, BC, UConn and the MAC schools. And with the long historic connection to the B1G- it makes WAY more sense for them to be put with the B1G than the NCHC or the WCHA.
One other advantage, I wonder- will the BTN allow the P12 channel put conference games on their channel? Which should provide a different revenue stream, expose P12 fans to a different sport, and perhaps move the needle on the potential P12 schools to add hockey.
Sadly- those who have a strong hatred for the power 5 conferences- this is appears to be more of that.
Consider- Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, VaTech, and Virginia are all fairly north. But that's a whole different, non possible thread.
The B1G already has a lot of eyeballs out west. There are a lot of alumni out there.
But I still think many are missing the bigger picture. ASU as a school is far more like all of the B1G schools than ANY other school that plays hockey. And just as important, the athletic department is far more like B1G schools than any other school- with the possible exception of ND, BC, UConn and the MAC schools. And with the long historic connection to the B1G- it makes WAY more sense for them to be put with the B1G than the NCHC or the WCHA.
One other advantage, I wonder- will the BTN allow the P12 channel put conference games on their channel? Which should provide a different revenue stream, expose P12 fans to a different sport, and perhaps move the needle on the potential P12 schools to add hockey.
Sadly- those who have a strong hatred for the power 5 conferences- this is appears to be more of that.
Consider- Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, VaTech, and Virginia are all fairly north. But that's a whole different, non possible thread.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
Hockey will not put the BTN on any more TVs. You're delusional if you actually think that. The gophers are barely pulling in 30-70k viewers.
Hockey will not put the BTN on any more TVs. You're delusional if you actually think that. The gophers are barely pulling in 30-70k viewers.
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
The things I think about while on the subway home after reading the boards on my phone. I know it's really none of my concern, but I'm going to post any way.
So, Hockey East is in its second round of playoff action already while the B1G is still in its final weekend of the regular season. I know that there's been discussion ad infinitum about the B1G Tournament and the attendance issues etc. You know, even if all six teams were awesome and all had legit changes to win, a three-day tournament seems like way too much of a commitment for fans, especially because of the travel, not to mention some teams having to win and play on three consecutive nights seems excessive. If they want to keep all six teams in the playoffs, why not have teams seeded 3-6 have best 2-of-3 series while seeds 1 and 2 have a bye weekend, then the two winners meet the two bye teams for a two-day tournament? It seems like all B1G schools had at least one bye weekend during the season so it would seem like they would be able to add that extra playoff weekend in somehow. I think that makes the regular season seeding a little more important because teams seeded 3 and 4 get home ice.
Also, while I agree with most of my Hockey East compatriots, it would make more sense for Notre dame to move to the B1G but I kinda want it to wait a few years so I can go there in 2018 when BU plays there as its the only Hockey east rink I have not yet been to and if they are no longer in the conference I really won't have any need to go there. /selfish
The things I think about while on the subway home after reading the boards on my phone. I know it's really none of my concern, but I'm going to post any way.
So, Hockey East is in its second round of playoff action already while the B1G is still in its final weekend of the regular season. I know that there's been discussion ad infinitum about the B1G Tournament and the attendance issues etc. You know, even if all six teams were awesome and all had legit changes to win, a three-day tournament seems like way too much of a commitment for fans, especially because of the travel, not to mention some teams having to win and play on three consecutive nights seems excessive. If they want to keep all six teams in the playoffs, why not have teams seeded 3-6 have best 2-of-3 series while seeds 1 and 2 have a bye weekend, then the two winners meet the two bye teams for a two-day tournament? It seems like all B1G schools had at least one bye weekend during the season so it would seem like they would be able to add that extra playoff weekend in somehow. I think that makes the regular season seeding a little more important because teams seeded 3 and 4 get home ice.
Also, while I agree with most of my Hockey East compatriots, it would make more sense for Notre dame to move to the B1G but I kinda want it to wait a few years so I can go there in 2018 when BU plays there as its the only Hockey east rink I have not yet been to and if they are no longer in the conference I really won't have any need to go there. /selfish
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
I know there are some strong rumors and the results are anyone's guess but a few comments.
ASU is a really big school, but the academics are not on par with the B1G, honestly. It's just a huge party school. So i'm not sure it fits in from that perspective, but from a major sports and Athletic dept perspective it does. From an ego perspective it does. They do have some good recruits coming, IF they all stay, given the turmoil in the program. ( I wouldn't), but they are definitely a ways from being competitive in any league, even the B1G.
I don't see ND moving, though anything is possible. Maybe ND moves to the NCHC and WMU moves to the WCHA. That would make more sense.Or some iteration of same.
I know there are some strong rumors and the results are anyone's guess but a few comments.
ASU is a really big school, but the academics are not on par with the B1G, honestly. It's just a huge party school. So i'm not sure it fits in from that perspective, but from a major sports and Athletic dept perspective it does. From an ego perspective it does. They do have some good recruits coming, IF they all stay, given the turmoil in the program. ( I wouldn't), but they are definitely a ways from being competitive in any league, even the B1G.
I don't see ND moving, though anything is possible. Maybe ND moves to the NCHC and WMU moves to the WCHA. That would make more sense.Or some iteration of same.
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
The specific problems varied from market to market. But having to sell tickets to those first round games was a problem the schools were happy to be rid of. I don't see us going back.
Granted, the neutral site tournament has under-performed at the gate. In a B1G way.
So at the moment it seems to be a case of pick your poison.
Maybe new teams, if that really happens, will give the event a boost. Eight teams is potentially a better tournament. If nothing else, you'd get rid of the rested team vs. exhausted team championship games. (assuming that all teams had to play 3 games to win the title.)
Maybe the new Red Wings building will help. Or, maybe the NHL buildings will always be too large. We could stage the tournament at campus sites. Remember, we're the misfits who like holding tournaments on campus. A B1G tourney at Yost or Mariucci would potentially be awesome, thank you very much. And in this case, the rest of college hockey wouldn't be able to gang up on us and tell us we can't do it.
As for the other 4-6 schools, I can imagine us taking on the project of hosting once every 6-8 years. And if some of the members would prefer not to host, I've got to believe that others would happily pick up the slack in exchange for an extra year of home ice advantage.
First round conference playoff games were the toughest tickets to sell all year long. They generally weren't included in the season ticket. Many season ticketholders dropped out and very few fans stepped up to fill the vacancies. March is a very busy sports month, and it's hard to ask people to hold three prime dates open for games that might not be played. Here at OSU we had a huge problem even keeping our home ice (Schottenstein Center) available.
The specific problems varied from market to market. But having to sell tickets to those first round games was a problem the schools were happy to be rid of. I don't see us going back.
Granted, the neutral site tournament has under-performed at the gate. In a B1G way.
So at the moment it seems to be a case of pick your poison. Maybe new teams, if that really happens, will give the event a boost. Eight teams is potentially a better tournament. If nothing else, you'd get rid of the rested team vs. exhausted team championship games. (assuming that all teams had to play 3 games to win the title.)
Maybe the new Red Wings building will help. Or, maybe the NHL buildings will always be too large. We could stage the tournament at campus sites. Remember, we're the misfits who like holding tournaments on campus. A B1G tourney at Yost or Mariucci would potentially be awesome, thank you very much. And in this case, the rest of college hockey wouldn't be able to gang up on us and tell us we can't do it.
As for the other 4-6 schools, I can imagine us taking on the project of hosting once every 6-8 years. And if some of the members would prefer not to host, I've got to believe that others would happily pick up the slack in exchange for an extra year of home ice advantage.
Reasonable thoughts. But for this group of schools, on March dates? I still don't see us going back.
Spartanforlife4
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Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
The original playoff plan was to have the top two get byes to the semi finals and have 3/6 and 4/5 play a 2 of 3 on campus sites. Then the final tournament would be played at the 1 seed's rink. But Wisconsin complained because they host state finals at Kohl during the week the tournament is held. So now we play in front of half full Xcel's and quarter full JLA's.
The original playoff plan was to have the top two get byes to the semi finals and have 3/6 and 4/5 play a 2 of 3 on campus sites. Then the final tournament would be played at the 1 seed's rink. But Wisconsin complained because they host state finals at Kohl during the week the tournament is held. So now we play in front of half full Xcel's and quarter full JLA's.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
Yeah, but at least two teams are likely moving to the Big Ten. There's only a very small handful of teams that would actually make the cut. There aren't any AAU members in hockey right now. I'm actually starting to wonder if one of the major club hockey teams in the Big Ten aren't planning on bumping it up. Maryland, Illinois, Iowa, Northwestern. Normally you would hear rumors of a major program entering a sport though.
Yeah, but at least two teams are likely moving to the Big Ten. There's only a very small handful of teams that would actually make the cut. There aren't any AAU members in hockey right now. I'm actually starting to wonder if one of the major club hockey teams in the Big Ten aren't planning on bumping it up. Maryland, Illinois, Iowa, Northwestern. Normally you would hear rumors of a major program entering a sport though.
John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
Yes, we all remember how well those NCAA regionals went in AA with 6 teams trying to shoehorn into that sh**hole. Ask Denver how much fun it was to be the #1 seed in the regional and have your locker room across the parking lot in the baseball stadium.
Yes, we all remember how well those NCAA regionals went in AA with 6 teams trying to shoehorn into that sh**hole. Ask Denver how much fun it was to be the #1 seed in the regional and have your locker room across the parking lot in the baseball stadium.
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
Still, I know for sure that MN usually had a downturn in sales/turnout for the first round, and sincerely believed that was the case with other comparable schools. Competition from hoops, spring break, etc. Are you really suggesting that the first round was well attended in EL & AA?
Clearly there's a major issue attendance issue with the current format. So I'm not saying the old way was worse than the status quo, only that going back isn't tempting either.
Didn't know about the "original plan;" that's very interesting. But I'm sure OSU would have also objected. The Schott hosts High School Tournaments for three straight weekends at this time of year. Obviously those who play in multi-purpose facilities have different challenges than those who have better control of their home ice.
Still, I know for sure that MN usually had a downturn in sales/turnout for the first round, and sincerely believed that was the case with other comparable schools. Competition from hoops, spring break, etc. Are you really suggesting that the first round was well attended in EL & AA?
Clearly there's a major issue attendance issue with the current format. So I'm not saying the old way was worse than the status quo, only that going back isn't tempting either.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
I think part of the problem is that it's new, everyone in the conference kind of sucks, and there's still a lot of bitterness about the BTCH in general.
I think part of the problem is that it's new, everyone in the conference kind of sucks, and there's still a lot of bitterness about the BTCH in general.
Re: Big Ten 2015-2016
What I do know is that holding post-season games in front of vast numbers of empty seats, in a mausoleum atmosphere, is an absolutely awful situation that needs to end.
Might as well get the next point of conflict into the record, right up front. When we've had this conversation regarding regionals, you've been adamant about the need for a burdensome set of practice timeslots -- both upon arrival and morning skates. Not doubting the need for the ice time, but I would think that at a conference rink, members could be more flexible about which ice surface. They're already familiar with the main facility, have already played there during the same season.
The logistical problems are real, but there just have to be compromise options better than the status quo.
I suspected you'd check in with this, and that's fine. In responding to Scarlet, I wasn't pretending to offer a fully developed plan. I dunno; maybe only the Top 4 teams make the playoffs. Whatever.
What I do know is that holding post-season games in front of vast numbers of empty seats, in a mausoleum atmosphere, is an absolutely awful situation that needs to end.
Might as well get the next point of conflict into the record, right up front. When we've had this conversation regarding regionals, you've been adamant about the need for a burdensome set of practice timeslots -- both upon arrival and morning skates. Not doubting the need for the ice time, but I would think that at a conference rink, members could be more flexible about which ice surface. They're already familiar with the main facility, have already played there during the same season.
The logistical problems are real, but there just have to be compromise options better than the status quo.