Best current Ivy League Womens programs?

[OnMAA]

Re: Best current Ivy League Womens programs?

It's not where you go, but what you do when you are there and what you do afterwards.

100% percent agree with that...however.. If an applicant has a great GPA using a tough curriculum AND has played varsity...I would choose the Ivy candidate over the other school candidate....in other words if all else is equal, the quality of the school is a definite factor...

 

[OnMAA]

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You are gonna be slaving away at your job for the next 40 years, so I say if you have the opportunity to go for brass ring in hockey, do it. When you are shackled to your desk slaving away at a job you’ll be glad you did. The person who goes to the inferior hockey school will have to dream about what might have been. Earning money, promotions, impressive job title, blah, blah, that’s all bull****, you cannot buy your way to go back in time. Once the opportunity has passed, you’ll never have another chance.

That all depends on your objectives. Some are driven by wanting athletic success and dream about it. For some it is the be all end all. Others are driven by different objectives, but still play the sport at a high level cause they love it. Take my own kids for example. They loved sports when they were young. They still love sport, competition and camaraderie to this day post grad. Both developed a dream to become doctors, so they could make the world a better place. This was driven by family circumstance and the loss of their younger sister. It still defines them to this day, and once they had that experience, their dreams changed, big time. Sports and play was no longer the be all end all for them.

And keep in mind if your resume says All-American, NCAA Champion, and other things of that nature, you’ll likely get the job ahead of the hordes of people that just list the same degree everyone else has.

Not necessarily. Some may see having an athlete that has focus on other things as a hindrance in hiring. If a non-athletic type is doing the hiring, they may dismiss it as not important.

 

[pokechecker]

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If a non-athletic type is doing the hiring, they may dismiss it as not important.

if they dismiss it as being unimportant, you likely don't want to work for them

there are a lot of places you wouldn't want to work at, and a lot of people you wouldn't want to work for

if you have proven to be a champion/All American on the ice, which also requires being a champion/All American off the ice

and they fail to grasp that, they are probably looking for someone way beneath your talents anyway, a butt kisser or someone who cannot think for themselves, why waste the time, get a decent job/good manager, life is too short for people and places like that

 

[dad77]

They all play in older rinks that are pretty much empty when the women play.

What is the thought on Browns new coach?

 

[Timothy A]

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100% percent agree with that...however.. If an applicant has a great GPA using a tough curriculum AND has played varsity...I would choose the Ivy candidate over the other school candidate....in other words if all else is equal, the quality of the school is a definite factor...

A resume is a starting point of conversation. I think in the interview you'd be able give one the edge over another w/o taking into consideration where they went to school.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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What is the thought on Browns new coach?

Read the 2015-2016 Coaching Changes thread to see people's opinions.

 

[ARM]

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A resume is a starting point of conversation. I think in the interview you'd be able give one the edge over another w/o taking into consideration where they went to school.

I agree. If the applicant is banking on the school making a difference while in the interview, that is a negative rather than a positive. You hire the candidate, not the school, and in an interview, all else is never equal.

 

[Blackbeard]

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if they dismiss it as being unimportant, you likely don't want to work for them

there are a lot of places you wouldn't want to work at, and a lot of people you wouldn't want to work for

if you have proven to be a champion/All American on the ice, which also requires being a champion/All American off the ice

and they fail to grasp that, they are probably looking for someone way beneath your talents anyway, a butt kisser or someone who cannot think for themselves, why waste the time, get a decent job/good manager, life is too short for people and places like that

Trillium and I had a discussion several years ago about your comments about going for it that you expressed in a previous post in this thread and were in agreement with this thinking.

I completely agree with the above captioned post.

Why would a high need achiever want to work for a low need achiever employer (at least as portrayed by the recruiter in this discussion) when there should be enough clued in employers who recognize the difference and the benefit that would accrue to their organization/firm from the positive contribution that a proven high need achiever can bring simply because they (the high need achievers) live and function in that mental space?...meaning a success mentality.

 

[pokechecker]

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Why would a kid that has spent the last 15 years trying to be the best hockey player they can be suddenly give up and decide their new goal in life is to sit in a cube working at some mundane job where they will wear the same clothes, drive the same car, and eat the same food as everyone else when they could be playing hockey for a championship or to earn a berth on the Olympic team?

I’ll tell you, someone who realizes they really aren’t all that good. Nothing wrong with that, being able to look in the mirror and see the real you is something that escapes many of us. But if they look in the mirror and see someone that wants, and is capable to reach the epitome of women’s hockey, they will pick the school they believe will help them realize that goal.

This is no different than the kid who wants to be a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, or anything else.

 

[Hello]

Why would a kid that has spent the last 15 years trying to be the best hockey player they can be suddenly give up and decide their new goal in life is to sit in a cube working at some mundane job where they will wear the same clothes, drive the same car, and eat the same food as everyone else when they could be playing hockey for a championship or to earn a berth on the Olympic team?

I’ll tell you, someone who realizes they really aren’t all that good. Nothing wrong with that, being able to look in the mirror and see the real you is something that escapes many of us. But if they look in the mirror and see someone that wants, and is capable to reach the epitome of women’s hockey, they will pick the school they believe will help them realize that goal.

This is no different than the kid who wants to be a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, or anything else.

You should probably go back and do the math on how many National Team players (since the time women's hockey was first sponsored as an Olympic sport) graduated from an Ivy school. Only the exceptional few can do it, and I highly doubt they are now sitting in a cube working a mundane job. Rather they're more likely moved onto other life's passions and making a lot of money. I'm sure you're smart enough to realize there are a lot of Olympians who've not won a National Championship, I'm also sure you're smart enough to know that being able to afford a quality life (basic needs for that matter) is not currently happening among all CWHL or soon to be NWHL players.

 

[2GirlsinHKY]

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Why would a kid that has spent the last 15 years trying to be the best hockey player they can be suddenly give up and decide their new goal in life is to sit in a cube working at some mundane job where they will wear the same clothes, drive the same car, and eat the same food as everyone else when they could be playing hockey for a championship or to earn a berth on the Olympic team?

I’ll tell you, someone who realizes they really aren’t all that good. Nothing wrong with that, being able to look in the mirror and see the real you is something that escapes many of us. But if they look in the mirror and see someone that wants, and is capable to reach the epitome of women’s hockey, they will pick the school they believe will help them realize that goal.

This is no different than the kid who wants to be a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, or anything else.

PC - a couple of thoughts here: (1) have you considered the possibility that kids selecting an Ivy are doing so in part to minimize the probability of ending up in that very dreary outcome that you describe?, and (2) I'm pretty sure that the ones going to Cornell or Harvard aren't secretly confessing that they "really aren't all that good".

 

[pokechecker]

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You should probably go back and do the math on how many National Team players (since the time women's hockey was first sponsored as an Olympic sport) graduated from an Ivy school. Only the exceptional few can do it, and I highly doubt they are now sitting in a cube working a mundane job. Rather they're more likely moved onto other life's passions and making a lot of money. I'm sure you're smart enough to realize there are a lot of Olympians who've not won a National Championship, I'm also sure you're smart enough to know that being able to afford a quality life (basic needs for that matter) is not currently happening among all CWHL or soon to be NWHL players.

math not needed
but history is

since the Ivy schools were about the only ones to have a team, it follows that the players would also make up the O team
and then there is that bit about the coach picking her own players

(1) have you considered the possibility that kids selecting an Ivy are doing so in part to minimize the probability of ending up in that very dreary outcome that you describe?,

don't kid yourself, compared to playing hockey they are all dreary

go anywhere and you'll see people wearing clothes trying to fool others into believing they are important, going out to lunch to get away from their job, and spend far more than they have to on a car to impress people and more importantly convince themselves it is all worthwhile

they'd all give it up in a minute to be on a sports team reliving their youth

 

[shelfit]

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they'd all give it up in a minute to be on a sports team reliving their youth

That's a very broad-sweeping generalization of a statement you made and one that I know is absolutely not true for "all" of them. Females are NOT like males who always seem to be trying to relive their youth in one way or another.

 

[pokechecker]

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Females are NOT like males who always seem to be trying to relive their youth in one way or another.

LOL


yeah, and that's why nobody can make money selling hair color & makeup to women

 

[shelfit]

yeah, and that's why nobody can make money selling hair color & makeup to women

Staying youthful looking and trying to relive your youth are two completely different things. Have you ever even interacted with any women in your life?! Your comments make it seem highly doubtful. You're putting stereotypical male behavior on "all" female hockey players and you're just so wrong it's unbelievable. Do you have any idea how many young women are glad their 4 years is over?! Many are done with hockey after their second or third college year - some stick it out while others quit and focus on their academics in preparation for their careers after college. The fact is men and women view sports very differently. You don't seem to be aware of that.

 

[pokechecker]

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Females are NOT like males who always seem to be trying to relive their youth in one way or another.

so I guess we are supposed to forget you said that last part

how would anybody even know if women want to relive their youth as far as sports go, women haven't been playing long enough to know

a generation ago women weren't even interested in watching sports, as long as we are making assumptions about each other, my guess is that you are too old to have ever played sports at a high level

 

[OnMAA]

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A resume is a starting point of conversation. I think in the interview you'd be able give one the edge over another w/o taking into consideration where they went to school.

I agree. If the applicant is banking on the school making a difference while in the interview, that is a negative rather than a positive. You hire the candidate, not the school, and in an interview, all else is never equal.

100% agree with that. The resume is to get to the interview. The interview is where you need to outshine others to make the cut. Sort of like tryouts, and just like tryouts, practice makes perfect.

 

[OnMAA]

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Why would a kid that has spent the last 15 years trying to be the best hockey player they can be suddenly give up and decide their new goal in life is to sit in a cube working at some mundane job where they will wear the same clothes, drive the same car, and eat the same food as everyone else when they could be playing hockey for a championship or to earn a berth on the Olympic team?

I’ll tell you, someone who realizes they really aren’t all that good. Nothing wrong with that, being able to look in the mirror and see the real you is something that escapes many of us. But if they look in the mirror and see someone that wants, and is capable to reach the epitome of women’s hockey, they will pick the school they believe will help them realize that goal.

This is no different than the kid who wants to be a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, or anything else.

You said "I’ll tell you, someone who realizes they really aren’t all that good"..that is blunt and a very one sided or narrow view....There are lots of good hockey players, just not quite good enough to make it to the pinnacle of hockey, but those same players can and often do excel in other endeavors....so with that said like to change your statement to something more realistic, that applies to many a good but not super elite hockey player.....

"someone who realizes that they have reached the limit of their ability in hockey, and decides to focus on something they are good at, that they also happen to like and can make a good living at".

 

[OnMAA]

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You should probably go back and do the math on how many National Team players (since the time women's hockey was first sponsored as an Olympic sport) graduated from an Ivy school. Only the exceptional few can do it, and I highly doubt they are now sitting in a cube working a mundane job. Rather they're more likely moved onto other life's passions and making a lot of money. I'm sure you're smart enough to realize there are a lot of Olympians who've not won a National Championship, I'm also sure you're smart enough to know that being able to afford a quality life (basic needs for that matter) is not currently happening among all CWHL or soon to be NWHL players.

Yeah there are very few....a few names that come to mind are Ruggiero and Botherill.

Remember Corriero.....Fantastic player, always on the cusp of greatness, Ivy All Star and then some, but never got to the national team....She decided that being a successful lawyer was more important when she came to that "decision point" in her life.

 

[OnMAA]

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don't kid yourself, compared to playing hockey they are all dreary

go anywhere and you'll see people wearing clothes trying to fool others into believing they are important, going out to lunch to get away from their job, and spend far more than they have to on a car to impress people and more importantly convince themselves it is all worthwhile

they'd all give it up in a minute to be on a sports team reliving their youth

Sure there are people who have successful careers do this "bragging stuff". There are just as many if not more who don't and live happy and fulfilling lives. Don't slant your views based on the behavior of a few you hang around with at a hockey rink (or other sports arena for that matter).

There are many ways to measure success and fulfillment. Sports is just one vehicle.