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Augustana University pursuing D1 hockey

Honestly, forget everything else besides this. If some huge donor stepped up at any other school demanding hockey, it'd happen

This is literally the only thing that matters, and why all the feasibility studies that make news are an absolute joke. They all say the same thing... if you can find the money it could work. Augustana has a rich guy who is willing to find the money. End of story. Hockey is too expensive to just start up a serious program out of nowhere with existing budgetary constraints absent a big cash infusion.
 
How does the NCAA define a conference for an auto-bid? Play each team twice gives 12 league games. Allows 22 non-conference games. It could mainly be a scheduling agreement that gives a path to an auto-bid.

The only such requirement for a minimum number of games is in men’s and women’s basketball, where a league must conduct either double round robin, or for larger leagues a minimum of 14.

So the only other real requirement is the six team by two year minimum.
 
IMO, if a major donor who wants to start a new hockey program at "x" university the likelihood it will happen goes way up this would include NDSU.
 
I’d have to go digging for where I saw the quote, but I was pretty sure one of the ADs at one of those Dakota schools (or was it MSU-Moorhead back in the day?) effectively said that they had no interest trying to compete with NoDak for hockey fans.
 
I’d have to go digging for where I saw the quote, but I was pretty sure one of the ADs at one of those Dakota schools (or was it MSU-Moorhead back in the day?) effectively said that they had no interest trying to compete with NoDak for hockey fans.

I recall a former NDSU AD was given money & option by the regents to skip hockey & go D1 in all other sports or go D1 hockey & stay D2 in all other sports.
 
Seeing as the main guy bankrolling this is the medical executive that wanted to fund Augustana moving to D-I singlehandedly, I think there is loads of cash.

I'm not so sure about "loads of cash." The Augustana announcement acknowledges Sanford only for making "...the lead gift." I don't think any of us know what the term "lead gift" means but it doesn't sound like full funding. And even if he's ponying up for startup costs, including an arena, he or others would seemingly have to endow the whole program in order to sustain it going forward. Augustana's $84 million endowment isn't going to generate much in the way of income for hockey, or for that matter, any other purpose.
 
I'm not so sure about "loads of cash." The Augustana announcement acknowledges Sanford only for making "...the lead gift." I don't think any of us know what the term "lead gift" means but it doesn't sound like full funding. And even if he's ponying up for startup costs, including an arena, he or others would seemingly have to endow the whole program in order to sustain it going forward. Augustana's $84 million endowment isn't going to generate much in the way of income for hockey, or for that matter, any other purpose.

I'm right there with you in skepticism that Augustana could afford this absent an enormous gift. I guess I assumed given his previous willingness to splash the cash to move the entirety of Augustana's department to D-I.
 
With all due respect, this is just pure fantasy.

Perhaps, but that is the dream in Bowling Green. I share it.

Miami and Western Mich may gripe about the travel, but do you really think it's enough of a problem that they'd give up the prestige of the best hockey conference in the country?

Is what Miami and Western Michigan spend on travel worth all that "prestige?" (Which probably isn't moving the needle much with casual fans, anyway.)
 
Perhaps, but that is the dream in Bowling Green. I share it.



Is what Miami and Western Michigan spend on travel worth all that "prestige?" (Which probably isn't moving the needle much with casual fans, anyway.)

I know at least one of the college hockey podcasts (I want to say the USCHO ones) addressed this rumor directly. Allegedly, the answer is “yes” for WMU and “no” for Miami, but Miami won’t act alone in the switch.
 
I know at least one of the college hockey podcasts (I want to say the USCHO ones) addressed this rumor directly. Allegedly, the answer is “yes” for WMU and “no” for Miami, but Miami won’t act alone in the switch.

Wodon referenced it. https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ne...,-New-CCHA.php

I've heard it from enough people over the last year or so — Miami wants to move. It can deny it publicly all it wants, but it's practically common knowledge at this point within college hockey's inner circles. Being in the NCHC is an expensive proposition for Miami, and even though its monumental on-ice success in the 2000s enabled the school to do a lot of big things, it still doesn't have the resources of the nearby Big Ten schools, for example. Miami wants to go, and is willing to pay the heft NCHC exit fee to do it.

Western Michigan, on the other hand, has no interest in moving. Maybe that would change with a different athletic director or head coach. But as it stands, WMU's powers-that-be love being in the NCHC. They think it's helped them attract players that it wouldn't otherwise get.

I happen to disagree — I think WMU would be fine in the new-CCHA, and could dominate that league and make consistent NCAA runs, just like Minnesota State has done in the WCHA. But, they apparently disagree.

So, does that mean a Miami/Minnesota State 1-for-1 swap is feasible? Maybe it is. But you have to wonder if Miami wants to do it if WMU doesn't come along too. After all, even if Miami is itching to move, it still wants to assure itself that it will be in a good conference with as many strong programs as possible. Bringing WMU along too means one more strong program for the new-CCHA.

Edit: What makes me chuckle about this article is the whole "Why Western!" campaign and Miami purportedly trying to keep Western out. "Chickens coming home to roost," "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony," pick your favorite metaphor.
 
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i got a much better idea, however very much impossible, for the CCHA... trade BGSU for UMD.

then you would have a NACHO-triad in ohio/michigan and UMD back with the superiorland schools of MTU, NMU, and LSSU.
 
i got a much better idea, however very much impossible, for the CCHA... trade BGSU for UMD.

then you would have a NACHO-triad in ohio/michigan and UMD back with the superiorland schools of MTU, NMU, and LSSU.

But...but...we finally get our league back and now we're getting tossed?!?!?!!!!!

Besides, we don't wanna go over there (we already told them no once), that spot is reserved for Mankato.
 
I'm not so sure about "loads of cash." The Augustana announcement acknowledges Sanford only for making "...the lead gift." I don't think any of us know what the term "lead gift" means but it doesn't sound like full funding. And even if he's ponying up for startup costs, including an arena, he or others would seemingly have to endow the whole program in order to sustain it going forward. Augustana's $84 million endowment isn't going to generate much in the way of income for hockey, or for that matter, any other purpose.

I've got to think Augustana has a the money. They had the money lined up for a full department-wide move to D1, the only problem was they didn't have a conference invite. This is their "plan B" since that move wasn't possible. With the Sanford name and their prior asperations, I don't have any doubt that they will be starting a new hockey program. And going forward, I think they will be able to generate a pretty good chunk of revenue with ticket sales alone, as the local ushl team regularly draws over 6K fans per season. If they can get even half of that, they are right around the top 25 in the country. Sioux Falls is a huge city, home to many big companies, and Augastana will have pretty much no competition within the city. Yes, there are USD and SDSU, but both are about an hour away. The university is underwhelming, but the market and donors are there. Can an NCAA D1 program compete with it's feeder league for fans, if the answer is yes, then Augi will be financially more successful than most programs throughout the country.
 
Can an NCAA D1 program compete with it's feeder league for fans, if the answer is yes, then Augi will be financially more successful than most programs throughout the country.

Omaha Lancers / UNO
USNTDP / Michigan
Madison Capitols / Wisconsin
Ohio Junior Blue Jackets / OSU

None of these are really apples to apples comparisons by any stretch, but… I dunno, take that for what it’s worth.
 
I've got to think Augustana has a the money. They had the money lined up for a full department-wide move to D1, the only problem was they didn't have a conference invite. This is their "plan B" since that move wasn't possible. With the Sanford name and their prior asperations, I don't have any doubt that they will be starting a new hockey program. And going forward, I think they will be able to generate a pretty good chunk of revenue with ticket sales alone, as the local ushl team regularly draws over 6K fans per season. If they can get even half of that, they are right around the top 25 in the country. Sioux Falls is a huge city, home to many big companies, and Augastana will have pretty much no competition within the city. Yes, there are USD and SDSU, but both are about an hour away. The university is underwhelming, but the market and donors are there. Can an NCAA D1 program compete with it's feeder league for fans, if the answer is yes, then Augi will be financially more successful than most programs throughout the country.

Those are salient if over estimated points. Just because Sioux Falls has a USHL team doesn't guarantee it will be a college hockey town.

IMO, Augustana has to decide if they will be a hockey school or not- the same way Bemidji, Mankato, St Cloud, and Duluth are hockey schools first and foremost regardless of their other sports' success.
 
Omaha Lancers / UNO
USNTDP / Michigan
Madison Capitols / Wisconsin
Ohio Junior Blue Jackets / OSU

None of these are really apples to apples comparisons by any stretch, but… I dunno, take that for what it’s worth.

With the exception of UNO, college hockey was well established in those cities way before the USHL came along.
 
Really? When was that and where did you hear this?

I've posted this here and on Sioux Sports before. During the time Mankato and ASU were trying to apply, the Nacho brass approached Bowling Green and asked us to submit an application with the understanding that if we applied we'd be accepted. The President, AD, and Bergeron went through an analysis and concluded that this was not the move for us to make and we declined. Our AD mentioned this during a subsequent season ticket holders meeting. I spoke to him 1-on-1 afterwards where he confirmed that we were only asked to submit an application, we did not initiate the dialog, and that this is as far as things got before our non merci response. I like to think that by saying no we're the reason Mankato didn't get in but that's really not true.

Anytime you see any conversations about BG being a potential fit for the Nachos you should say to yourself "Yeah, no, not happening."
 
But...but...we finally get our league back and now we're getting tossed?!?!?!!!!!

Besides, we don't wanna go over there (we already told them no once), that spot is reserved for Mankato.

nah... just trying to make everyone happy - and just really wish UMD was part of the CCHA party. very happy with the current 8-teams; may we not sell our souls.

with that being said, this whole re-shuffle is far from over... i am certain ASU, AU, LIU, LU, UAA, UAF, and UAH would agree.

GO TECH GOLD!
 
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