Atlantic Hockey

Blitz · Jul 25, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

Picked this up off the "2017/2018 tranfers" thread.

Niagara is picking up a couple of NCAA transfers on the defensemen side with Jared Brandt (Miami, Ohio Univ.) and James Roll (LSSU).
Jared Brandt (1995), d-man, 6', 197 lbs, 33GP, 3G, 7A, 10 Pts. Miami Ohio 1 yr.
James Roll (1993), d-man, 6'2", 190 lbs, 12GP, 1G, 1A, 2 Pts. LSSU 3 yrs.

James Roll may be eligible for the 2017/2018 season.

TimP · Aug 15, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

The Top Shelf said:
I know its been dead for a while, but expansion would solve annoying schedule discrepancy!

Remember how close Navy was a few years ago? St. Anslem's (a self-proclaimed "hockey school") was close as well. Before the budget disaster put an end to it, Rhode Island was prepping to presumably use the AHA as a stepping stone to HE and join their other "big state schools" much like UConn did. Other natural fits could be Syracuse and Villanova. Syracuse might be a better fit for ECAC, but their women are already D-1 and they clearly have the resources. Villanova has a dominant club team and with the success of basketball driving revenue, they should be considered.

I know it's not remotely likely, but a guy can dream! Hockey is growing in popularity, nation - and world - wide. I'm curious to see who you all think could be the next team to elevate their program to D-1? Not just fits for AHA, but anywhere? Oregon was in serious talks back when ASU stepped up. Who knows! I know its expensive, difficult to maneuver with title IX, but there will be more schools considering D-1 hockey.. who do you think will be the next team to take it to the next level?

Sorry to bring up a dead thread here, but I heard some rumors about another conference realignment from some fairly knowledgeable people that could affect the conference.

Air Force is projected to join its fellow service academies int eh Patriot League and AIC would move up from D2 to join, making it six members with hockey teams, thus forming a new conference (along with BU, Colgate, Army, and Holy Cross). The ECAC would split between Ivies (forming their own conference) and the other six, who would then join Atlantic Hockey. Could be interesting...

CollegeHockeyRinkReport · Aug 16, 2017

TimP said:
Sorry to bring up a dead thread here, but I heard some rumors about another conference realignment from some fairly knowledgeable people that could affect the conference.

Air Force is projected to join its fellow service academies int eh Patriot League and AIC would move up from D2 to join, making it six members with hockey teams, thus forming a new conference (along with BU, Colgate, Army, and Holy Cross). The ECAC would split between Ivies (forming their own conference) and the other six, who would then join Atlantic Hockey. Could be interesting...

BU is not leaving Hockey East

joecct · Aug 16, 2017

CollegeHockeyRinkReport said:
BU is not leaving Hockey East

Didn't we say the same thing about the WCHA?

If the Patriot League voted to form a hockey league, they'd have to.

Ivan Lennon · Aug 16, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

Per that scenario that would result in Ivies w/ only 6 teams. If Colgate leaves that leaves 5 teams not 6. A NYS League (w/ Gate, Niagara, Canisius, RIT and the 4 Liberties would be more logical) But all highly unlikely as Liberties and Gate love the Ivy connection andhave no interest in Atlantic hockey. As one Liberty A.D. observed "it's all about the banners."

TimP · Aug 16, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

BU might not want to leave Hockey East, but it wouldn't be their call if the Patriot League gets six hockey members. Similarly, while the Liberties and Colgate like their "Ivy connection," if the Ivies form a hockey conference, the leftovers from the ECAC have no way to stop them.

UML Puck Hawk · Aug 18, 2017

TimP said:
BU might not want to leave Hockey East, but it wouldn't be their call if the Patriot League gets six hockey members. Similarly, while the Liberties and Colgate like their "Ivy connection," if the Ivies form a hockey conference, the leftovers from the ECAC have no way to stop them.

Do you know for a fact the patriot league bylaws state they must sponsor a league? You're assuming the patriot league and the big10 operate the same way. Also the ivy fear mongering is kinda hilarious. Why would they do this now after 30 years?

The Zlax45 · Aug 18, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

UML Puck Hawk said:
Do you know for a fact the patriot league bylaws state they must sponsor a league? You're assuming the patriot league and the big10 operate the same way. Also the ivy fear mongering is kinda hilarious. Why would they do this now after 30 years?

Wouldn't you think BU would have put it in the bylaws when they joined that they wouldn't join?

BC/HE · Aug 19, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

From Patriot League Bylaws:

E. If a regular member institution sponsors a sport for which the League conducts a
championship or regular in-season competition, the member institution must
participate in the League competition unless an exemption from participation has
been approved in advance by a majority of the Council of Presidents. The
following criteria for an exemption shall apply:
(1) An institution will be permitted to exempt no more than one sport from
League competition;
(2) Withdrawal of the sport under consideration will not jeopardize the
League’s automatic qualification or overall competitiveness;
(3) The institution will not align its program with another Division I
conference;
(4) The competitive experience is determined to be undesirable for studentathletes
from other League institutions due to facility or other competitive
limitations at the institution requesting the waiver; and
(5) The commitment to gender equity at the institution and in the League is not
compromised. [December 2001]

Make what you want of this but some items seem to be in BU's favor 1 and 4 and some against 2 and 3. Not sure about 5. One sport exemption(yes),if BU would be team #6 then they compromise the automatic qualifier, they would need to be an Independent much like Army in Football, not sure how Navy's football league affiliation fits in here but FBS vs. FCS could be a difference maker, the facility size at BU could be determined to be undesirable competitively however should Holy Cross play downtown that can't be used.

Also:

2. Criteria for League Sport Sponsorship
Six (6) full member institutions must sponsor a sport at the varsity level in order for it to be
added to the list of League sponsored sports outlined above in Article 1. [June 2002; rev.
2013]
3. Participation in Other Athletic Leagues
Members of the League shall resign from other athletic leagues governing competition in
the sports, which they shall play in the League. This requirement applies to those
affiliations, which would conflict with League competition and would not include
organizations such as those affiliated with the Eastern College Athletic Conference.

Seems like Colgate has an out but not BU.

However I think the original poster confused member American with American International and 6 teams would not be in play unless of course Navy steps up.

Snively65 · Aug 20, 2017

BC/HE said:
From Patriot League Bylaws:

E. If a regular member institution sponsors a sport for which the League conducts a
championship or regular in-season competition, the member institution must
participate in the League competition unless an exemption from participation has
been approved in advance by a majority of the Council of Presidents. The
following criteria for an exemption shall apply:
(1) An institution will be permitted to exempt no more than one sport from
League competition;
(2) Withdrawal of the sport under consideration will not jeopardize the
League’s automatic qualification or overall competitiveness;
(3) The institution will not align its program with another Division I
conference;
(4) The competitive experience is determined to be undesirable for studentathletes
from other League institutions due to facility or other competitive
limitations at the institution requesting the waiver; and
(5) The commitment to gender equity at the institution and in the League is not
compromised. [December 2001]

Make what you want of this but some items seem to be in BU's favor 1 and 4 and some against 2 and 3. Not sure about 5. One sport exemption(yes),if BU would be team #6 then they compromise the automatic qualifier, they would need to be an Independent much like Army in Football, not sure how Navy's football league affiliation fits in here but FBS vs. FCS could be a difference maker, the facility size at BU could be determined to be undesirable competitively however should Holy Cross play downtown that can't be used.

Also:

2. Criteria for League Sport Sponsorship
Six (6) full member institutions must sponsor a sport at the varsity level in order for it to be
added to the list of League sponsored sports outlined above in Article 1. [June 2002; rev.
2013]
3. Participation in Other Athletic Leagues
Members of the League shall resign from other athletic leagues governing competition in
the sports, which they shall play in the League. This requirement applies to those
affiliations, which would conflict with League competition and would not include
organizations such as those affiliated with the Eastern College Athletic Conference.

Seems like Colgate has an out but not BU.

However I think the original poster confused member American with American International and 6 teams would not be in play unless of course Navy steps up.

Would be good if Navy stepped up and joined AHC to bring back to 12 teams.

cavbim · Aug 20, 2017

http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2016/4/28/D1_Members.aspx?path=gen

ECAC is a large umbrella organization. There are 87 Division 1 members plus 26 D2 and lots of D3 members. Among the members 10 of 11 Hockey East teams. So BU has that exemption too

BC/HE · Aug 20, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

cavbim said:
http://www.ecacsports.com/sports/2016/4/28/D1_Members.aspx?path=gen

ECAC is a large umbrella organization. There are 87 Division 1 members plus 26 D2 and lots of D3 members. Among the members 10 of 11 Hockey East teams. So BU has that exemption too

Not sure if that is what is meant as the entire Patriot League may be in the ECAC as well which would make the entire bylaw null. Colgate is in the ECAC Hockey League and that is what might be meant by the bylaw.

joecct · Aug 20, 2017

BC/HE said:
Not sure if that is what is meant as the entire Patriot League may be in the ECAC as well which would make the entire bylaw null. Colgate is in the ECAC Hockey League and that is what might be meant by the bylaw.

The ECACHL is not managed by the ECAC. The fact that there are no more ECAC D3 hockey leagues should tell you something.

Leather Lungs · Aug 22, 2017

TimP said:
Sorry to bring up a dead thread here, but I heard some rumors about another conference realignment from some fairly knowledgeable people that could affect the conference.

Air Force is projected to join its fellow service academies int eh Patriot League and AIC would move up from D2 to join, making it six members with hockey teams, thus forming a new conference (along with BU, Colgate, Army, and Holy Cross). The ECAC would split between Ivies (forming their own conference) and the other six, who would then join Atlantic Hockey. Could be interesting...

I'm having a hard time believing AIC is gonna make the jump to D1.

Leather Lungs · Aug 22, 2017

CornwallAce said:
Pipe dream schools for AHA 12th member.

Buffalo : What a neat trio for rivalries
Case Western : In CASE Cleveland wants to get in on the action.
Post : D2 school starting hockey, second year of playing.
LeMoyne : Another D2 school, and they could get the one up on Syracuse.
Lehigh : Bethlehem and Allentown now have had an AHL team for a few years. Here is their next step.
SUNY Albany : Get a rivalry with Union and RPI and put a tenant into the downtown rink now that they lost their AHL team.

I like all of these. Especially Buffalo. It's the talk about Navy that worries me. Seems to me Army and Air Force are already drawing from a small pool of prospective players. Adding Navy doesn't make that pool any larger.

Blitz · Aug 22, 2017

Leather Lungs · Aug 30, 2017

Blitz said:
And here is their predictions......

2017 / 2018 SEASON PREDICTIONS……….
https://entrylevelcontract.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/2017-18-previews-atlantic-hockey-prediction/
.

I don't get how they pick Sacred Heart to finish this season in the same spot as last season despite graduating something like half their goal scoring. I've got them pegged for dead last behind a somewhat improved Niagara.

Blitz · Aug 31, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

Wholeheartedly agree with you on that one, team has lost more than double any other team by way of offense, including 10 players including their key guys.

I enjoyed reading their team by team profiles as we seldom receive information on Atlantic Hockey, but take their standing predictions with a large grain of salt.

I will wait for the Atlantic Hockey coaches poll seeing the coaches know each others teams very, very well and will be in position to be much more accurate.

The season is 4 to 5 weeks away, do hope posters will be joining the discussion soon and we can all give our personal standings list and banter about. I have my list but in isolation it doesn't mean much, once we get a few more posters contributing it will be much more fun.

Cheers.

Snively65 · Aug 31, 2017

Blitz said:
Wholeheartedly agree with you on that one, team has lost more than double any other team by way of offense, including 10 players including their key guys.

I enjoyed reading their team by team profiles as we seldom receive information on Atlantic Hockey, but take their standing predictions with a large grain of salt.

I will wait for the Atlantic Hockey coaches poll seeing the coaches know each others teams very, very well and will be in position to be much more accurate.

The season is 4 to 5 weeks away, do hope posters will be joining the discussion soon and we can all give our personal standings list and banter about. I have my list but in isolation it doesn't mean much, once we get a few more posters contributing it will be much more fun.

Cheers.

I tried to describe expectations for each of our AHC teams on Fighting Sioux 23's Greatest Programs of All Time thread, which seems to be stuck around the 20th team in the rankings for the past couple of weeks (now on page 2). I was relieved that my Bentley Falcons again avoided dropping into 60th/last place.

schiegs · Sep 14, 2017

Re: Atlantic Hockey

Congrats to Mercyhurst for landing a nice tourney to host. Well done.

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