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Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Reports now he didn’t even have body armor on lol
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We're going to hear conflicting details for several days, if not longer. Better to focus on what we know for certain:
  • A young adult murdered his grandmother and then murdered almost two dozen others, mostly children, at an elementary school
  • The police - or a "good guy with a gun" - didn't stop it
  • We have too many guns in our country
  • We suck at mental health
  • We suck
 
Swansong said:
I don't know what to say. This is disgusting and heartbreaking and predictable and preventable.

I've been a strong advocate for controlled and legal gun rights and, along with virtually everything else over the last few years, I'm rethinking things.


Something has to change.
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Collectively, Americans are not responsible enough to have easy access to firearms -- which is apparently "our god given right!!" so nothing can change.
 
Swansong said:
I don't know what to say. This is disgusting and heartbreaking and predictable and preventable.

I've been a strong advocate for controlled and legal gun rights and, along with virtually everything else over the last few years, I'm rethinking things.


Something has to change.
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My thinking has evolved a lot over the last few years as this problem keeps getting worse and worse.

We need to repeal the 2nd amendment. We need to eliminate virtually all legal means of carrying a firearm outside of your own home/property without strict, expressed and explicit permission otherwise. We need to tax firearms and ammunition heavily, including the means and methods of DIY production. We need heavy licensing and insurance requirements for all firearm and ammunition possession/ownership. We need to enforce all firearm current and additional laws with twice the vigor of the drug war. And most importantly, we need to eliminate republicans. And none of this will happen in the lifetime of anyone reading this.

Any takers on when and where the next mass shooting takes place? Because we ALL know this is happening again, probably within the next couple of weeks.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
NRA national meeting is Friday in Houston. Abbott, Cruz and dump are speaking.

they were in Denver around columbine too and they literally couldn’t have cared less
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The Denver story is actually a little more interesting than that.

Apparently in the days following Columbine, the NRA leadership had some meetings about this very issue. Someone at those meetings recorded them, and twenty years later a reporter from NPR got them and did an interesting story about the internal discussions of the NRA.

Here's a link to that story. Sorry if this has already been posted.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1049...-shows-the-nras-evolution-on-school-shootings
 
how on earth did we get liability insurance mandatory for car ownership and why can't we do the same for guns?
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This is my favorite solution. No proof of insurance, no purchase. That likely would have shutdown the Buffalo and the Texas shootings in their tracks. And that insurance is going to be fucking expensive.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
This is my favorite solution. No proof of insurance, no purchase. That likely would have shutdown the Buffalo and the Texas shootings in their tracks. And that insurance is going to be fucking expensive.
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I think the tax idea on guns or ammunition is a better idea than insurance. What are you going to buy insurance for? To pay people damages when you shoot them? I think there is a pretty strong public policy argument against having people buy insurance that covers intentional, violent acts like shooting people.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
This is my favorite solution. No proof of insurance, no purchase. That likely would have shutdown the Buffalo and the Texas shootings in their tracks. And that insurance is going to be fucking expensive.
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I don’t think you understand how insurance works. It wouldn’t cover a deliberate act like what happened yesterday, and insurance doesn’t change liability at all.
 
Drew S. said:
I don’t think you understand how insurance works. It wouldn’t cover a deliberate act like what happened yesterday, and insurance doesn’t change liability at all.
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Change the law. We can do that. We make the laws. Make the insurance cover a deliberate shooting. Force people to carry it. I bet the cost is so expensive NO ONE could afford a gun anymore. And you know what? Good. Fuck them.
 
SJHovey said:
I think the tax idea on guns or ammunition is a better idea than insurance. What are you going to buy insurance for? To pay people damages when you shoot them? I think there is a pretty strong public policy argument against having people buy insurance that covers intentional, violent acts like shooting people.
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What are you going to buy car insurance for? Because you're going to go out and hit someone's car on purpose?
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Change the law. We can do that. We make the laws. Make the insurance cover a deliberate shooting. Force people to carry it. I bet the cost is so expensive NO ONE could afford a gun anymore. And you know what? Good. Fuck them.
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You can’t force insurers to cover or not cover something.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
What are you going to buy car insurance for? Because you're going to go out and hit someone's car on purpose?
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Well that's what I'm asking about this "gun insurance."

You buy car insurance to cover loss or damage to your own vehicle, but to also provide you with liability coverage if you should cause an accident and cause loss or damage to someone else. However, I'm pretty sure most of those policies will have an intentional act exclusion that denies coverage if you intentionally cause the accident.

If my gun is stolen from my car, or maybe damaged in a house fire or tornado or something, I already have insurance for that. My homeowners or renters insurance is going to cover that loss.

If I accidentally shoot someone, say a gun I'm handling accidentally discharges and hurts or kills someone, again the liability coverage under my homeowners or renters policy possibly provides me with coverage. Also, again, that coverage is going to deny coverage for "intentional acts" like going into a school and shooting a bunch of kids.

So that's what I'm asking. Are people who suggest mandatory gun insurance saying that a gun purchaser would purchase insurance that would cover one of these intentional acts?
 
SJHovey said:
Well that's what I'm asking about this "gun insurance."

You buy car insurance to cover loss or damage to your own vehicle, but to also provide you with liability coverage if you should cause an accident and cause loss or damage to someone else. However, I'm pretty sure most of those policies will have an intentional act exclusion that denies coverage if you intentionally cause the accident.

If my gun is stolen from my car, or maybe damaged in a house fire or tornado or something, I already have insurance for that. My homeowners or renters insurance is going to cover that loss.

If I accidentally shoot someone, say a gun I'm handling accidentally discharges and hurts or kills someone, again the liability coverage under my homeowners or renters policy possibly provides me with coverage. Also, again, that coverage is going to deny coverage for "intentional acts" like going into a school and shooting a bunch of kids.

So that's what I'm asking. Are people who suggest mandatory gun insurance saying that a gun purchaser would purchase insurance that would cover one of these intentional acts?
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This post is right on the money. The people who think insurance is the answer fundamentally don’t understand it.
 
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