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Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

That's really what it comes down to. If another format would net them more cash they would do it. If you want change either the coaches need to change their tine or you root for this format to completely bomb out (UND stops bidding, etc.)
 
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davyd83 said:
One of the big problems is arena availability, For instance, the Verizon Center in Mankato, MN has a concert tonight.
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devildog said:
I don't know how you solve the short notice scheduling issue if you want to have home site hosting in the first round.
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A very legitimate concern, particularly if the format calls for a best 2 of 3 series. But my format calls for a 1 game, single elimination format for the campus site games.

This weekend, games are being played on Friday, Saturday & Sunday. There is no reason that we couldn't continue to use all three of those days. In other words, the each host team would need to have its rink available Friday OR Saturday OR Sunday.

I guess there could still be an issue at multi-purpose buildings like Mankato. But note that during the B1G playoffs at Ohio State, we hosted a high school tournament for several days, but still had the hockey rink ready to go for a single elimination game on Sunday of the same weekend.

Holding 1 date open doesn't strike me as an extreme hardship. But if some still go ahead and book other events, one option would be to have a Plan B in place for hosting at a nearby facility. Not every school would be able to do that, of course. But many, if not most, have some options.

Last, but not least, note that Women's D-1 Hockey had their first round games at campus sites a couple of weeks ago, and no one experienced any difficulties. The fact that UW & MN have facilities dedicated to Women's Hockey simplified the task, of course. But fitting in one more game isn't really as challenging as it's being made to sound.
 
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I think it would be better to get the season complete before the men's bb tourney starts the weekend before selection Sunday. Then they don't get totally overrun by bb. I don't mind hockey in Sept and they don't need to take 3-4 weeks off for the Christmas break.

Format change....the first round is home sites, play best of 3 or a 2 game total goal series like the good old days. The final 8 playdown the following weekend at one site, quarters are Friday, semi's Saturday and final Monday night. You could have the final 8 at the same site every year, like they do for baseball, that makes it really easy for scheduling and planning. And why not have the women's FF at the same site at the same time? They could do semi's Saturday and the final Sunday.

The ice quality was also an issue at the women's ff last weekend. It was especially bad for the MN Cornell game.
 
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4 games in one day at one site? Asking for trouble there. Especially if you are concerned with ice quality.
 
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Manchester's ice was good for about 5 minutes each period. Had we had a system where one rink may have to play 4 games the ice would be useless by the end of the third game. Whatever you'd be watching, it would be hard to call it ice hockey.
 
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If season could go another week, how about first 8 in PWR get a bye into super regional round. First weekend of tournament is on campus 9 v 16, 10 v 15 etc. Those 4 winners move on with the other 8 into two 6 team super regionals.
 
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J.D. said:
Alcohol being served here in Manchester. Good luck to arena staff dealing with UMass fans.
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+1. Gonna be worse today. Choosing a team to root for is like choosing between Cholera and The Plague. Go UMass.
 
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J.D. said:
If season could go another week, how about first 8 in PWR get a bye into super regional round. First weekend of tournament is on campus 9 v 16, 10 v 15 etc. Those 4 winners move on with the other 8 into two 6 team super regionals.
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So some teams will then get a second bye? That doesn't make sense to me. With 16 teams there shouldn't be any byes.
 
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pgb-ohio said:
Holding 1 date open doesn't strike me as an extreme hardship. But if some still go ahead and book other events, one option would be to have a Plan B in place for hosting at a nearby facility. Not every school would be able to do that, of course. But many, if not most, have some options.
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True, this doesn't have to be this difficult. The host school just needs to be responsible to secure a site. Heck, even Marquette (NMU) has two venues in town.
 
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Logistical question from the NCAA standpoint:

- Do they have the same staff working the Frozen Four as they do for the Men's B-ball Finals? With Bouncy ball being their single biggest event, I would have to think that it is "all hands on deck!" for the event. Just thinking of this when considering moving the hockey finals.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
Logistical question from the NCAA standpoint:

- Do they have the same staff working the Frozen Four as they do for the Men's B-ball Finals? With Bouncy ball being their single biggest event, I would have to think that it is "all hands on deck!" for the event. Just thinking of this when considering moving the hockey finals.
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I'm not answering this with any inside knowledge but I would assume very little overlap. A lot of the people who "staff" these events are from host institutions, either the venues, schools or often city/community people who the NCAA has partnered with (and that is said with inside knowledge, at least from the hockey-side). My guess is if you're seeing any of the same people at both events the number is extremely limited and probably for some unique role these types of events need filled.
 
Timothy A said:
I think it would be better to get the season complete before the men's bb tourney starts the weekend before selection Sunday. Then they don't get totally overrun by bb. I don't mind hockey in Sept and they don't need to take 3-4 weeks off for the Christmas break.

Format change....the first round is home sites, play best of 3 or a 2 game total goal series like the good old days. The final 8 playdown the following weekend at one site, quarters are Friday, semi's Saturday and final Monday night. You could have the final 8 at the same site every year, like they do for baseball, that makes it really easy for scheduling and planning. And why not have the women's FF at the same site at the same time? They could do semi's Saturday and the final Sunday.

The ice quality was also an issue at the women's ff last weekend. It was especially bad for the MN Cornell game.
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There aren’t many arenas that can accommodate 8 teams at once.
 
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Timothy A said:
I think it would be better to get the season complete before the men's bb tourney starts the weekend before selection Sunday. Then they don't get totally overrun by bb. I don't mind hockey in Sept and they don't need to take 3-4 weeks off for the Christmas break.
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I'd go the other way. Delay the Frozen 4 for another week, and have the tournament start the week before (the current frozen four weekend). That way bb is done; but, maybe you can build off the momentum of bb, and bracket madness, and really push the fun of a hockey bracket. Also, that would put the hockey conference championships on the same weekend as the bb Final Four; but, with most of bb done, could potentially open up some TV slots/viewership for the hockey conference championships on Friday night (and potentially early Saturday afternoon) - and help start some new viewership momentum there with proper PR.
 
LordofBrewtown said:
I'd go the other way. Delay the Frozen 4 for another week, and have the tournament start the week before (the current frozen four weekend). That way bb is done; but, maybe you can build off the momentum of bb, and bracket madness, and really push the fun of a hockey bracket. Also, that would put the hockey conference championships on the same weekend as the bb Final Four; but, with most of bb done, could potentially open up some TV slots/viewership for the hockey conference championships on Friday night (and potentially early Saturday afternoon) - and help start some new viewership momentum there with proper PR.
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Then you take AHL (Providence, Allentown), ECHL (Manchester) and USHL (Fargo) rinks out of play because of those leagues being in playoffs.
 
davyd83 said:
Then you take AHL (Providence, Allentown), ECHL (Manchester) and USHL (Fargo) rinks out of play because of those leagues being in playoffs.
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You would also take most or all of the NHL rinks out of play for the Frozen Four as the Stanley Cup and NBA playoffs would be underway.

Sean
 
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Attendance in Providence: 7180
Attendance in Fargo: 4220 (Friday)
Attendance in Manchester: 5033 (Friday)
 
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Lol I couldn’t keep the threads straight either.
 
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davyd83 said:
Then you take AHL (Providence, Allentown), ECHL (Manchester) and USHL (Fargo) rinks out of play because of those leagues being in playoffs.
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NHL playoffs could have conflicted with Frozen Four this year had Buffalo had a better season.
 
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Do we know of anyone bidding for 2020 and 2021? Maine was intending to bid for Portland and I thought I had read that North Dakota was looking at Sioux Falls and Fargo again.
 
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