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A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

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walrus said:
So did Harry Reid actually say the borders are secure?
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He's just parroting the Obama company line. If the borders were secure, I could visit the 2/3 of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument that has been closed for many years due to the monument fearing for the safety of visitors.
 
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Bob Gray said:
He's just parroting the Obama company line. If the borders were secure, I could visit the 2/3 of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument that has been closed for many years due to the monument fearing for the safety of visitors.
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The border may not be secure but it doesn't appear to be because the administration isn't enforcing deportation laws.

I'm aware that deportation increases may reflect a influx of a greater number of people, but has there actually been any substantive change in border security policy between Dubya and Obama? I'm not aware of any. The singling out of Obama for criticism on this seems to be pure politics -- we seem to be doing exactly as competent or incompetent a job as we have always done.
 
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Kepler said:
The border may not be secure but it doesn't appear to be because the administration isn't enforcing deportation laws.

I'm aware that deportation increases may reflect a influx of a greater number of people, but has there actually been any substantive change in border security policy between Dubya and Obama? I'm not aware of any. The singling out of Obama for criticism on this seems to be pure politics -- we seem to be doing exactly as competent or incompetent a job as we have always done.
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Obama has made a series of moves, a number of which soften things up and sends the signal that we aren't going to push too hard on this subject. Like when he de-emphasized going after non-violent illegals, sending the signal that there's less of a chance of getting caught. I know someone who works for the Border Patrol and the rank and file aren't happy with how Obama has handled things and made their jobs tougher.
 
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Recognizing there will be a lot of $ costs and complications in the short term, I don't see how we can rightly do anything other than everything we possibly can to help "refugee" children that want to come to the U.S. And in fact I think they will benefit us overall in the long run, the more the merrier. As in the whole history of the country. It's also a heartfelt personal and moral issue to me.
 
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geezer said:
Recognizing there will be a lot of $ costs and complications in the short term, I don't see how we can rightly do anything other than everything we possibly can to help "refugee" children that want to come to the U.S. And in fact I think they will benefit us overall in the long run, the more the merrier. As in the whole history of the country. It's also a heartfelt personal and moral issue to me.
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Time is on our side. In 50 years, Louie Gohmert's portrait will be hanging next to Orval Faubus' in the Asshole Hall of Infamy.
 
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Kepler said:
We may have reached Peak Derp.
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They may not have taken control of this Texas town, but folks here illegally effectively control sizable chunks of American soil along the border, so make fun if you like, but it's closer to the truth than many will concede.
 
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Bob Gray said:
They may not have taken control of this Texas town, but folks here illegally effectively control sizable chunks of American soil along the border, so make fun if you like, but it's closer to the truth than many will concede.
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As I have said before, I am all in favor of building a 6-mile high wall right across the country along 40 N Lat. That's border security I can believe in.
 
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Kepler said:
As I have said before, I am all in favor of building a 6-mile high wall right across the country along 40 N Lat. That's border security I can believe in.
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I'd take a wall a little west of 114 degrees west longitude.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Not down south here where we could use them. If we can't control the border to the south, it'd be nice to control the border to the west.
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Well, presumably when climate change makes it 80 all the time in Illinois it will be 140 all the time in Arizona, and this will eliminate the problem.
 
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Kepler said:
Here's a really nice analysis of where WC roster players come from. If I could figure out how to do this kind of visual presentation on TBRW, I would rule zee vorld.

Edit: shit, that chart just has the club team of origin. There is a great chart about country of origin out there (I thought it was on 538 but apparently not), but I'm not finding it.

Still pretty, though.
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Back in my day it was easy - Cornell was Canadian - pure Canadian grit.
 
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Kepler said:
Well, presumably when climate change makes it 80 all the time in Illinois it will be 140 all the time in Arizona, and this will eliminate the problem.
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But it's a dry heat. :)

Actually, more than most places, a few extra degrees won't be as noticeable here to your average joe on the street. Today it's 103 (cool day for mid July). If it's 106 or 107, that's not very noticeable to your typical Phoenician.
 
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Bob Gray said:
But it's a dry heat. :)

Actually, more than most places, a few extra degrees won't be as noticeable here to your average joe on the street. Today it's 103 (cool day for mid July). If it's 106 or 107, that's not very noticeable to your typical Phoenician.
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Now, if any of them ever went outside . . .
 
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burd said:
Now, if any of them ever went outside . . .
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We just don't go outside when the sun is up if we can help it. But, since we don't do that silly daylight savings time thing, the sun sets earlier here, so a chunk of the evening isn't so bad with the sun out of the picture.
 
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Bob Gray said:
But it's a dry heat. :)

Actually, more than most places, a few extra degrees won't be as noticeable here to your average joe on the street. Today it's 103 (cool day for mid July). If it's 106 or 107, that's not very noticeable to your typical Phoenician.
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I was in Vegas a couple years ago when it was 110 and still completely OK to walk around outside (as long as you lugged your weight in water). And when I was in Tucson it hit 105 every day and was absolutely fine.

An AZ 105 is far more comfortable than a DC 90.
 
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Bob Gray said:
They may not have taken control of this Texas town, but folks here illegally effectively control sizable chunks of American soil along the border, so make fun if you like, but it's closer to the truth than many will concede.
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Its easier to 'legally' buy guns than popcorn along the border.
 
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