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5 dollar gas...are we ready?

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Almington said:
It would work to a point, you would still have to bypass any major population enters. In addition, the outcry from the first accident where a family was roasted in their car because of an impact with the pipeline resulting in a fire would be a PR disaster.
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Not to mention the enviromental impact that the tree huggers would get all up in arms about from a spill from that first impact with the roasted family as well. :rolleyes:
 
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Almington said:
It would work to a point, you would still have to bypass any major population enters. In addition, the outcry from the first accident where a family was roasted in their car because of an impact with the pipeline resulting in a fire would be a PR disaster.
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St. Clown said:
It's possible, but I don't know if could be deemed practical. Either you'd have to bury the pipes within the split highway medians, or build barriers between the traffic and the medians. Either one would be a major disruption to traffic, and draw the ire of our short-minded populace, therefore making it politically impractical.
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You hit on it, St. Clown; I would recommend burying it in the median, which is why I suggested no Jersey barriers. If there is a good way to do it within the small amount of area (possibly even closing the left-most lanes during this work), all the better. As for bypassing populace, that is certainly taken into account because of various bypass routes that are created, such as the loops you see around cities. Certainly, there are some places where that just isn't possible (most roads lead through a part of Chicago, for example), so you'd have to come up with a more innovative bypass. As for the environmentalists, I've stopped taking them seriously, because they're just a bunch of cynical *******s. They aren't happy unless they find something to complain about.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Please explain how a natural gas "spill" works.
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A lot like this:

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FlagDUDE08 said:
Here's a thought for pipelines and their corresponding right-of-way: Why couldn't we use rights-of-way that already exist, such as interstate highways? You'd have to do this with the highways where they're on the ground instead of elevated (with a possible consideration when it comes to bridges where the highway is elevated), and there is an actual median instead of a Jersey barrier or guard rail on the pavement, but I would think it's possible. You'd have right of way containing at least 25 feet on each side of the pipeline and it's fairly easily accessible, given you already have many state and U.S. highways running parallel to the interstates in case traffic must be shut down to deal with a serious problem.

This wouldn't be the first time the country has recycled infrastructure, as the railroad companies used the Erie Canal right-of-way to build some tracks in the past (at least along the mule promenade), but both still remained in use.
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No. You wouldn't believe how stupid people are and how vulnerable that pipeline would be to a moron who drunkenly/stupidly/accidentally wouldhit it.

You could bury it like natural gas pipelines, but run the risk of construction accidents or breakage from frost heave.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Not to mention my 15 MPG Wrangler.

/because a Prius gets 0 MPG when it's buried up to the axles in a snowdrift
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There are thousands of Prius's in Maine, they drive them all winter, you must be a lousy driver if you can't keep a Prius going on a plowed road
 
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aparch said:
No. You wouldn't believe how stupid people are and how vulnerable that pipeline would be to a moron who drunkenly/stupidly/accidentally wouldhit it.

You could bury it like natural gas pipelines, but run the risk of construction accidents or breakage from frost heave.
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And you're trying to tell me that there aren't already buried pipelines in the Northern USA or in Canada that could be used as a study? You're probably one of those anti-fracking people that doesn't understand how safe it truly is, yes?
 
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walrus said:
There are thousands of Prius's in Maine, they drive them all winter, you must be a lousy driver if you can't keep a Prius going on a plowed road
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Well, he's a pretty lousy person, so...
 
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walrus said:
There are thousands of Prius's in Maine, they drive them all winter, you must be a lousy driver if you can't keep a Prius going on a plowed road
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You're also under the impression that the roads are plowed and not iced.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You're also under the impression that the roads are plowed and not iced.
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Which in AK is a distinct possibility. Especially in Anchorage which runs warm due to being on the ocean, it can stay above freezing then drop below during the night which just glazes the hell out of EVERYTHING.

The real win-win here would be one of the Euro diesel Subarus. AWD and fifty-freakin'-five MPG.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Which in AK is a distinct possibility. Especially in Anchorage which runs warm due to being on the ocean, it can stay above freezing then drop below during the night which just glazes the hell out of EVERYTHING.

The real win-win here would be one of the Euro diesel Subarus. AWD and fifty-freakin'-five MPG.
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I'm not too crazy about AWD when it isn't on pavement.

In NYS, we have the exact same thing. However, in certain parts of the state, we also still have dirt roads. Good luck driving on those; it's fun.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
And you're trying to tell me that there aren't already buried pipelines in the Northern USA or in Canada that could be used as a study? You're probably one of those anti-fracking people that doesn't understand how safe it truly is, yes?
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I actually support fracking. (And yes, I know what it is)

I just know how truely inept the motoring public is, and how awful record keeping of utilities buried in the field can be.


(Speaking from experience because I observed a sewer pipe crew rip out 100 feet of electrical wire and it took the better part of the day to get the Tollway to respond if the utility was live (it wasn't, and was abandoned in place). No one had accurate records of the wire in the first place.)
 
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aparch said:
I actually support fracking. (And yes, I know what it is)

I just know how truely inept the motoring public is, and how awful record keeping of utilities buried in the field can be.


(Speaking from experience because I observed a sewer pipe crew rip out 100 feet of electrical wire and it took the better part of the day to get the Tollway to respond if the utility was live (it wasn't, and was abandoned in place). No one had accurate records of the wire in the first place.)
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Good to know. Obviously burying the pipes is a hedge against the ineptitude of those driving; even I know that vehicles can flip over Jersey barriers, so we wouldn't be able to depend upon guard rails for protection. Not to mention, you'd have to bury it anyway so the cops don't complain about not being able to make money by sitting at the U-turns and writing tickets.

At least since we are now in the information age, we have a better chance at having good records.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You're also under the impression that the roads are plowed and not iced.
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Nah
I wouldn't understand that living in Maine. A few years ago Northern Maine had over 200 inches of snow, I'm pretty sure Prius folks drove all over what is known locally as the county. If you can't get around in a front wheel drive car in the winter you should turn in your license
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Good to know. Obviously burying the pipes is a hedge against the ineptitude of those driving; even I know that vehicles can flip over Jersey barriers, so we wouldn't be able to depend upon guard rails for protection. Not to mention, you'd have to bury it anyway so the cops don't complain about not being able to make money by sitting at the U-turns and writing tickets.

At least since we are now in the information age, we have a better chance at having good records.
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Given the number of overpasses and underpasses on the nations interstates, burying the pipeline would be prohibitively expensive as nearly every single bridge on the path would have to be either retrofitted and rebuilt or completely replaced.
 
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Almington said:
Given the number of overpasses and underpasses on the nations interstates, burying the pipeline would be prohibitively expensive as nearly every single bridge on the path would have to be either retrofitted and rebuilt or completely replaced.
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Not necessarily, at least for the overpasses. How many rural bridges are actually in one piece, instead of two separated bridges? You could run it "loose" between the two, but with a rolling cage to protect it, similar to the track at NASCAR.

Just trying to come up with some ideas at this point. If it isn't feasible, that's fine; we could think of something else. The point is, though, that we have an infrastructure problem with pipelines where we can't transport our product inexpensively, thereby making it practically useless, and it shows in the price spread between WTI and Brent.
 
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