2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

[unofan]

Not at all. Social conservatism is inherently communal (one reason why there's so much pressure to conform to norms). The marriage of social conservatism to laissez faire economics was a shot gun wedding -- it's artificial and forever at risk of falling apart. Part of why the GOP has to constantly enrage and terrify their captives with a parade of racial and sexual horribles is that without those threats the coalition would come apart. Social conservatives can read the Bible -- they know Jesus' message is that wealth is the dung of the devil and capitalism is un-Christian. It takes a lot of propaganda to keep them voting not only to slash their own throats, but also to defy Biblical prescriptions for kindness and generosity.

Except there's a growing population of "prosperity gospel" social conservatives out there, and they are all about looking out for number one. Because their wealth is a sign of God's graces.

 

[Kepler]

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Except there's a growing population of "prosperity gospel" social conservatives out there, and they are all about looking it for number one. Because their wealth is a sign of God's graces.

I doubt they will ever amount to anything significant. There's just no way around Matthew 19:24. The Big Guy wasn't being subtle.

 

[burd]

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You already see that rough beast slouching towards Washington during the GOP primaries.

I like the image; even the cadence works: Washington/Bethlehem

 

[Rover]

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Except there's a growing population of "prosperity gospel" social conservatives out there, and they are all about looking out for number one. Because their wealth is a sign of God's graces.

Yup. I get where Kep is coming from, but the problem is Republican Christians who actually read the Bible and go to church are about .1% of the population. Most self proclaimed social conservatives are sunshine Christians who exempt their own vices from the list of things you aren't supposed to do. Those who think politics are the best way to enforce religious beliefs are naturally inclined to think God picks winners and losers, because politics is ultimately about winning and losing. While it would be nice if the nirvana state Kep describes actually existed, unfortunately it does not.

 

[joecct]

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Yup. I get where Kep is coming from, but the problem is Republican Christians who actually read the Bible and go to church are about .1% of the population. Most self proclaimed social conservatives are sunshine Christians who exempt their own vices from the list of things you aren't supposed to do. Those who think politics are the best way to enforce religious beliefs are naturally inclined to think God picks winners and losers, because politics is ultimately about winning and losing. While it would be nice if the nirvana state Kep describes actually existed, unfortunately it does not.

As to God picking winners and losers, if you believe in predestination, He did. I don't.

 

[Rover]

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As to God picking winners and losers, if you believe in predestination, He did. I don't.

Good for you, but today's garden variety conservative thinks a bit different, since most candidates for President claim God has endorsed their bid for office. If that isn't God picking winners or losers, I don't know what is. Recall that when you vote for one of these clowns.

 

[joecct]

Good for you, but today's garden variety conservative thinks a bit different, since most candidates for President claim God has endorsed their bid for office. If that isn't God picking winners or losers, I don't know what is. Recall that when you vote for one of these clowns.

I don't believe that I can vote for your champion.

 

[Kepler]

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Today in derp.

A Wisconsin sheriff who is frequently a guest on Fox News predicted Tuesday night that the anti-police brutality organization Black Lives Matter will eventually join forces with the Islamic State terror group.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't believe that I can vote for your champion.

I have a feeling she has factored that in.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Good for you, but today's garden variety conservative thinks a bit different, since most candidates for President claim God has endorsed their bid for office. If that isn't God picking winners or losers, I don't know what is. Recall that when you vote for one of these clowns.

Specific citations please for Republican candidates who claim "God endorsed" their bid for the Presidency. They talking about God in general doesn't count as that's a different thing than claiming an endorsement. Seriously, I would view it as a negative if anyone claims God endorsed their specific candidacy. I'm ok with folks saying they think they are proposing things that align with God's teachings and such, but I've never like the endorsement claim.

 

[joecct]

Specific citations please for Republican candidates who claim "God endorsed" their bid for the Presidency. They talking about God in general doesn't count as that's a different thing than claiming an endorsement. Seriously, I would view it as a negative if anyone claims God endorsed their specific candidacy. I'm ok with folks saying they think they are proposing things that align with God's teachings and such, but I've never like the endorsement claim.

I think the last time God specifically endorsed anyone was by the River Jordan. But, heck, that was his kid.

 

[St. Clown]

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Specific citations please for Republican candidates who claim "God endorsed" their bid for the Presidency. They talking about God in general doesn't count as that's a different thing than claiming an endorsement. Seriously, I would view it as a negative if anyone claims God endorsed their specific candidacy. I'm ok with folks saying they think they are proposing things that align with God's teachings and such, but I've never like the endorsement claim.

It's more of the Mike Huckabee crowd, who is known for saying things like, I prayed long and hard on this. I spoke to God, and that's when he told me to run - not the Kwik-E-Mart, but for President of the United States. While I'm not quoting the man on this, I have seen clips of him over the years saying something very close to that.

 

[Bob Gray]

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It's more of the Mike Huckabee crowd, who is known for saying things like, I prayed long and hard on this. I spoke to God, and that's when he told me to run - not the Kwik-E-Mart, but for President of the United States. While I'm not quoting the man on this, I have seen clips of him over the years saying something very close to that.

I'd just note that feeling God led you to run for President of the United States is not the same as saying he has endorsed your campaign. In some ways similar and easy to spin as being the same on the surface, but ultimately quite different. A number of people could feel led to run for President, yet God that doesn't mean God somehow "endorses" them, whatever that even means.

 

[Rover]

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Specific citations please for Republican candidates who claim "God endorsed" their bid for the Presidency. They talking about God in general doesn't count as that's a different thing than claiming an endorsement. Seriously, I would view it as a negative if anyone claims God endorsed their specific candidacy. I'm ok with folks saying they think they are proposing things that align with God's teachings and such, but I've never like the endorsement claim.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/gods_plan_these_gop_candidates_claim_the_almighty_wants_them_to_run/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...he-gop-god-can-t-pick-a-campaign-winner.html#

Saying "I pray to God that I'm making the right decision" is different than the Lord is guiding my campaign. How, Bob, would any mortal know that?

 

[Kepler]

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Saying "I pray to God that I'm making the right decision" is different than the Lord is guiding my campaign. How, Bob, would any mortal know that?

Saying "I pray to God that I'm making the right decision" has a double-meaning. To normal people it says "When making decisions I keep in mind we are all fallible, and I do the best I can." But to people who fervently believe in literalism and the effective power of prayer it can mean you're dialing for divine inspiration.

Politics is the ability, when confronted by two people who violently disagree with each other, to be able to say words that each person goes away thinking "that guy's on my side." The "I'll pray on it" gambit is one of the most popular ploys -- it plays to sell out crowds among the hyper-faithful, and nobody else takes it as anything more than a meaningless expression.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Saying "I pray to God that I'm making the right decision" has a double-meaning. To normal people it says "When making decisions I keep in mind we are all fallible, and I do the best I can." But people who actually believe in literalism and the effective power of prayer it means you're actually dialing for divine inspiration.

Politics is the ability, when confronted by two people who violently disagree with each other, to be able to say words that each person goes away thinking "that guy's on my side." The "I'll pray on it" gambit is one of the most popular plays -- it plays to sell out crowds among the hyper-faithful, and nobody else takes it as anything more than a meaningless expression.

No, it has only one meaning. Your kind created the second meaning in order to push your agenda. Just like how the word "patriot" can no longer be used in connection with freedom because of the PATRIOT Act, or how the word "safe" created defencelessness and danger in NYS.

Vocabulary has been the ultimate weapon for many years. Eventually, the double meanings will bring the world down to minimal language and dumb sheep that are very easily manipulated.

 

[Kepler]

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No, it has only one meaning. Your kind created the second meaning in order to push your agenda. Just like how the word "patriot" can no longer be used in connection with freedom because of the PATRIOT Act, or how the word "safe" created defencelessness and danger in NYS.

Vocabulary has been the ultimate weapon for many years. Eventually, the double meanings will bring the world down to minimal language and dumb sheep that are very easily manipulated.

My "kind"?

 

[Rover]

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Vocabulary has been the ultimate weapon for many years. Eventually, the double meanings will bring the world down to minimal language and dumb sheep that are very easily manipulated.

It definitely worked in your case. Your posts couldn't get any dumber if you tried!

 

[joecct]

My "kind"?

It had me scratching my head too. Let us all agree that fear makes for some awfully strange (and bad) legislation.

 

[burd]

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Your kind created the second meaning in order to push your agenda. Just like how the word "patriot" can no longer be used in connection with freedom because of the PATRIOT Act, or how the word "safe" created defencelessness and danger in NYS.

Vocabulary has been the ultimate weapon for many years. Eventually, the double meanings will bring the world down to minimal language and dumb sheep that are very easily manipulated.

Wow. You do illustrate your point well, Flaggy.