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2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

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Slap Shot said:
The average derp thinks Saudi makes the better ally than Iran were the US not so narrow minded in its dealings with the Middle East. Women actually have rights in Iran for instance just for starters.
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Remember what happened the last time the US trusted Iran? Something about hostages and 444 days, IIRC...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Remember what happened the last time the US trusted Iran? Something about hostages and 444 days, IIRC...
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Not as bad as the last time Iran trusted the US...

According to a senior SAVAK officer, after the Siahkal attack interrogators were sent abroad for `scientific training to prevent unwanted deaths from "brute force".`[33] Methods of torture included sleep deprivation; extensive solitary confinement; glaring searchlights; standing in one place for hours on end; nail extractions; snakes (favored for use with women); electrical shocks with cattle prods, often into the rectum; cigarette burns; sitting on hot grills; acid dripped into nostrils; near-drownings; mock executions; and an electric chair with a large metal mask to muffle screams. Prisoners were also humiliated by being raped, urinated on, and forced to stand naked.[34] However, the torture method of choice remained the traditional bastinado used to beat soles of the feet.[34]
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Guess who taught them all their tricks?
 
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Short of it is neither Iran or the Saudis are/would be good allies. The age old issue of whether you deal with bad folks to try to accomplish things in this world or be more isolationist and maybe not get a thing done here and there that you would have otherwise. It's never been an easy call.
 
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The whole idea is to work on improving relations with regimes that aren't friendly. By definition, the most important diplomacy is conducted between nations that don't trust each other.
 
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Kepler said:
The whole idea is to work on improving relations with regimes that aren't friendly. By definition, the most important diplomacy is conducted between nations that don't trust each other.
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Improving relations with such countries has good and bad angles, with each situation being unique. But it's a challenge on a number of levels to be very close to countries that don't respect human rights, religious freedom, etc. It's a balancing act and often a very delicate one.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Improving relations with such countries has good and bad angles, with each situation being unique. But it's a challenge on a number of levels to be very close to countries that don't respect human rights, religious freedom, etc. It's a balancing act and often a very delicate one.
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Yes. We've been working on this problem ever since Hugo Grotius. At one level, nations are amoral actors operating in an arena in which self-interest is the sole motivator. At another there are alliances that enforce reciprocal responsibilities, at least as long as it's in the interests of the parties to not break them. At another, there are (powerless, but symbolic) international organizations and multilateral agreements that act as a brake on more unscrupulous behavior. And at another there are considerations of human rights that we feel ought to trump or at least inform national interests. Pure Realpolitik is morally repellent, while a purely ethical behavior would paradoxically probably endanger an ethical actor in a sea of sharks. It's complicated. I think the present administration has been OK at trying to walk that tight-rope and safeguard American interests while trying to also honor international ethical standards, or at any rate I think they have been far more responsible and effective than prior administrations or the strategies that their critics have promoted.
 
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Kepler said:
Yes. We've been working on this problem ever since Hugo Grotius. At one level, nations are amoral actors operating in an arena in which self-interest is the sole motivator. At another there are alliances that enforce reciprocal responsibilities, at least as long as it's in the interests of the parties to not break them. At another, there are (powerless, but symbolic) international organizations and multilateral agreements that act as a brake on more unscrupulous behavior. And at another there are considerations of human rights that we feel ought to trump or at least inform national interests. Pure Realpolitik is morally repellent, while a purely ethical behavior would paradoxically probably endanger an ethical actor in a sea of sharks. It's complicated. I think the present administration has been OK at trying to walk that tight-rope and safeguard American interests while trying to also honor international ethical standards, or at any rate I think they have been far more responsible and effective than prior administrations or the strategies that their critics have promoted.
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I agree with all this except for the last part about the present administration (I'm sure you're shocked!).
 
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This is where we need OP back, so he can call this meeting of the Blame America First Club to order. :)
 
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St. Clown said:
Didn't Bilderberg also call for Operation: Jade Helm to enslave and/or imprison the SW USA, or was that Xenu?
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I see the psy-op worked, if you say it was to enslave. What it proved was martial law can actually work and the people will be terrorized by it. Only a matter of time.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I see the psy-op worked, if you say it was to enslave. What it proved was martial law can actually work and the people will be terrorized by it. Only a matter of time.
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OMG I just realized you're exactly right, FlagDUDE. This is important for people to know about. Do you have any information yet about who is going to implement the martial law end times? What is their plan?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I see the psy-op worked, if you say it was to enslave. What it proved was martial law can actually work and the people will be terrorized by it. Only a matter of time.
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"The Cause can never fail. It can only be failed."
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I see the psy-op worked, if you say it was to enslave. What it proved was martial law can actually work and the people will be terrorized by it. Only a matter of time.
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Actually, I didn't say it was to enslave in any sort of serious matter. See, this is what some people refer to as using hyperbole to make a comedic statement.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I see the psy-op worked, if you say it was to enslave. What it proved was martial law can actually work and the people will be terrorized by it. Only a matter of time.
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Mediocre work I give it 1/10. Way to keep moving those goalposts though Frauddude :p
 
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"Jade Helm 15" has now vanished from all the nutter sites. No explanation, no mention, not even a victory dance claiming they thwarted it (the obvious play). Something called "Agenda 21" is now occupying all of the same space. Oh, and I didn't realize it but they hate "Black Lives Matter," which is weird* because they also hate cops murdering people which was its inspiration. Maybe they confused it with the other BLM, which they also hate but at least that's consistent.

* It's not really weird. The other stories make it pretty clear that the target demo of these sites is white, male, old and so far right they don't trust the right anymore. In other words, Trump voters.
 
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Kepler said:
"Jade Helm 15" has now vanished from all the nutter sites. No explanation, no mention, not even a victory dance claiming they thwarted it (the obvious play). Something called "Agenda 21" is now occupying all of the same space. Oh, and I didn't realize it but they hate "Black Lives Matter," which is weird* because they also hate cops murdering people which was its inspiration. Maybe they confused it with the other BLM, which they also hate but at least that's consistent.

* It's not really weird. The other stories make it pretty clear that the target demo of these sites is white, male, old and so far right they don't trust the right anymore. In other words, Trump voters.
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Apparently Glenn Beck wrote a book about it.
 
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