2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

Impressive, even for Fox.

Each case and person each has their own circumstances, but no question the gradual undermining of traditional values by varies leftist agendas plays a role generally.

 

[Kepler]

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Each case and person each has their own circumstances, but no question the gradual undermining of traditional values by varies leftist agendas plays a role generally.

The right is not the side of values, Bob. It's just different values. (Save the flag, let the poor starve.)

 

[unofan]

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Slavery was a traditional value at one point. Are you sad that was undermined by liberal forces?

No? Then you recognize that tradition for the sake of tradition is not the end all be all of morals.

 

[Bob Gray]

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The right is not the side of values, Bob. It's just different values. (Save the flag, let the poor starve.)

The traditional values I reference get little support from sizable chunks on the right who are corporate types. So save the social justice stuff to trot out that I and others like me support in many ways.

I was just talking to my wife the other day about this great reading program that have at our public library for kids and if you read books you can get a free book, Chipotle certificate, etc. I'm sure that program doesn't even cost that much but pays great dividends in getting kids interested in books and reading. Great example of money well spent on a social program and it's not even a blip on the radar screen of whatever budget it comes out of (probably city in this case).

 

[Kepler]

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The traditional values I reference get little support from sizable chunks on the right who are corporate types.

I know they exist, but I really wish people on the right were as vocal advocating social justice and environmental protection and they are with protesting gay marriage or flag burning or relentlessly driving the middle class into penury to protect the sacred right of the right to own us all.

I think if they were they'd be in better shape politically, too.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I know they exist, but I really wish people on the right were as vocal advocating social justice and environmental protection and they are with protesting gay marriage or flag burning or relentlessly driving the middle class into penury to protect the sacred right of the right to own us all.

I think if they were they'd be in better shape politically, too.

We go about it a bit more quietly than a lot of you (or at least folks I know tend to). Those few hot button issues get the media attention, but I don't really know anybody that spends much time on them in daily life, whereas I know lots of folks who advocate for various social issues and interests and help them along in various ways. But such regular folks don't make good headlines. It's easier to talk about some wacky Westboro group or something.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Impressive, even for Fox.

It's garbage like this that caused me to entirely leave the right wing of American politics. They claim to love America but aren't at all interested in intelligence or even honest debate. I can't get behind a movement/party/etc. that isn't interested in intellectualism or even at a minimum keeping one toe inside the threshold reality and rational thought.

Edit: And my shift isn't because the left has convinced me they know better on all topics. It's that the Republicans have been so amazingly wrong (and "wronger" every day) on so many things that I'm convinced the GOP and much of the right wing can't be correct on other topics. So I'm forced to assume the left wing is probably closer to the truth than anything else.

 

[TimP]

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Amen to that. It's amazing to see how much progress this country made following the Dumbya disaster. Does anybody else remember how John Kerry and Al Gore were told to dumb down their speech to appeal to the rubes in flyover country? That says it all. The Republican Party appeals to crazy people, stupid people, and the ultra-rich.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Amen to that. It's amazing to see how much progress this country made following the Dumbya disaster. Does anybody else remember how John Kerry and Al Gore were told to dumb down their speech to appeal to the rubes in flyover country? That says it all. The Republican Party appeals to crazy people, stupid people, and the ultra-rich.

At some point one of the mods is going to out your other "regular" username. It's going to be fun to watch.

 

[bronconick]

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It's garbage like this that caused me to entirely leave the right wing of American politics. They claim to love America but aren't at all interested in intelligence or even honest debate. I can't get behind a movement/party/etc. that isn't interested in intellectualism or even at a minimum keeping one toe inside the threshold reality and rational thought.

Edit: And my shift isn't because the left has convinced me they know better on all topics. It's that the Republicans have been so amazingly wrong (and "wronger" every day) on so many things that I'm convinced the GOP and much of the right wing can't be correct on other topics. So I'm forced to assume the left wing is probably closer to the truth than anything else.

I actually voted (R) in 2000. Everything they've done since has convinced me that I should never do that again. One day they'll do something to change my mind.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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At some point one of the mods is going to out your other "regular" username. It's going to be fun to watch.

The sad thing is, his regular username is probably "Priceless".

 

[burd]

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We go about it a bit more quietly than a lot of you (or at least folks I know tend to). Those few hot button issues get the media attention, but I don't really know anybody that spends much time on them in daily life, whereas I know lots of folks who advocate for various social issues and interests and help them along in various ways. But such regular folks don't make good headlines. It's easier to talk about some wacky Westboro group or something.

Or other fringe elements such as governors and presidential candidates.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

We go about it a bit more quietly than a lot of you (or at least folks I know tend to). Those few hot button issues get the media attention, but I don't really know anybody that spends much time on them in daily life, whereas I know lots of folks who advocate for various social issues and interests and help them along in various ways. But such regular folks don't make good headlines. It's easier to talk about some wacky Westboro group or something.

Did you ever think that that's the point? It's easier to either pacify a group, or hype some very minor issue in the grand scheme of things, all while the real tyranny, such as TPA and Jade Helm, is flown under the radar. This country is now in a greater nightmare due to a lack of focus.

 

[Kepler]

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The GOP wasn't always so crazy at the core. There were always far right fringe wackjobs (just as there were to the far left of the Dems) but the central tendency of the party was sober. Reagan began as an intra-party revolt but once the Reaganites gained power it was Animal Farm -- they started acting just like the prior party bosses and, while ideological, they were responsible.

1994 was when the GOP went off the rails. Newt was a talented P. T. Barnum and his circus started the Eternal September of the Republicans. Even with the Bush family burrowed back in the White House the Congressional Republicans continued to get more and more rabid, until the party itself fractured in 2006. There's almost no party left, now. There are just independent city-states (Santorumland, Trump Mordor, the Kingdom of the Two Pauls, Cruz Fantasy Island) run as proxy states for billionaires, dotting endless stretches of wild, unexplored frontierland where the armies are recruited.

 

[unofan]

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Or other fringe elements such as governors and presidential candidates.

I'm just wondering when the moderate Republicans will stand up and denounce the radical members of the GOP. By staying silent, they must be implicitly endorsing their tactics.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm just wondering when the moderate Republicans will stand up and denounce the radical members of the GOP. By staying silent, they must be implicitly endorsing their tactics.

Huntsman has done it. The Pauls did it until Rand decided to run for president.

That's about it.

 

[unofan]

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Huntsman has done it. The Pauls did it until Rand decided to run for president.

That's about it.

Someone missed the joke.

Hint: Replace Republican with a certain religion...

 

[Kepler]

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Someone missed the joke.

Hint: Replace Republican with a certain religion...

You're right, I missed it.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I'm just wondering when the moderate Republicans will stand up and denounce the radical members of the GOP. By staying silent, they must be implicitly endorsing their tactics.

Radicals will never be denounced. People want leadership, and they know they won't get it from a flip-flopper.

 

[Kepler]

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Radicals will never be denounced. People want leadership, and they know they won't get it from a flip-flopper.

False choice. In this Republican environment, moderation is what requires courage. The emptiest pot makes the most noise when struck.

The "radicals" on the far right are just playing their audience. Leadership would be finding solutions, not throwing bombs.