Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
...and he so loved the Constitution that he gave it his nine amendments.
...and he so loved the Constitution that he gave it his nine amendments.
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2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I was thinking of the comment about Wilson's Fourteen Points. "God only needed ten commandments."
I was thinking of the comment about Wilson's Fourteen Points. "God only needed ten commandments."
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I know this is childish and petty, but it's still funny.
http://gawker.com/america-wants-to-know-whats-wrong-with-nikki-haleys-mo-1752638601
Some of the tweets were really good.
I know this is childish and petty, but it's still funny.
http://gawker.com/america-wants-to-know-whats-wrong-with-nikki-haleys-mo-1752638601
Some of the tweets were really good.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I'd say it's childish and petty, but that just makes it a typical GOP State of the Union response.
The Kiddie Table just can't catch a break these days. I assumed when she did the SC flag bit that Haley had locked up the token skirt on the GOP ticket. Oh well, back to the Dollar Store for another choice.
I'd say it's childish and petty, but that just makes it a typical GOP State of the Union response.
The Kiddie Table just can't catch a break these days. I assumed when she did the SC flag bit that Haley had locked up the token skirt on the GOP ticket. Oh well, back to the Dollar Store for another choice.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
And half of those would be addressed by repealing the 17th amendment.
And half of those would be addressed by repealing the 17th amendment.
Agreed!
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Are we looking at the same 17th amendment?
Are we looking at the same 17th amendment?
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Well obviously we need more than 2 senators from each state
Well obviously we need more than 2 senators from each state
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
The guy's asking for a say from state legislatures. If you repeal the 17th Amendment, guess who elects the senators...
The guy's asking for a say from state legislatures. If you repeal the 17th Amendment, guess who elects the senators...
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Prior to #17, two Senators were elected by vote of each state's legislature. Last I checked, the Goopers controlled 31 state legislatures, so x2 = 62 GOP Senators, which would be an effective super-majority in the Senate (and with 8 remaining states having split legislatures, it wouldn't be too difficult to get 4-6 more GOP Senators in there to get the 2/3 majority for veto overrides).
Flag is saying that would give Abbott half of what he wants, because presumably the R state legislatures would elect more of their own Tea Party loonies, and we'd get fewer of the establishment R careerists that the people tend to settle for at the federal level. Or, in the case of a nominally blue state like Michigan that currently has a state government controlled by a Republican corporate raider and his cronies, we wouldn't have Democrats like Stabenow or Peters in Washington.
Prior to #17, two Senators were elected by vote of each state's legislature. Last I checked, the Goopers controlled 31 state legislatures, so x2 = 62 GOP Senators, which would be an effective super-majority in the Senate (and with 8 remaining states having split legislatures, it wouldn't be too difficult to get 4-6 more GOP Senators in there to get the 2/3 majority for veto overrides).
Flag is saying that would give Abbott half of what he wants, because presumably the R state legislatures would elect more of their own Tea Party loonies, and we'd get fewer of the establishment R careerists that the people tend to settle for at the federal level. Or, in the case of a nominally blue state like Michigan that currently has a state government controlled by a Republican corporate raider and his cronies, we wouldn't have Democrats like Stabenow or Peters in Washington.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I saw this State of the Union address last night. I was watching the right channel, wasn't I?
I saw this State of the Union address last night. I was watching the right channel, wasn't I?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Which is all the Republicans really want. The movement to repeal the 17th started to gain steam when the GOP started to dominate state legislatures. It's another voter suppression tactic -- they're losing the country and they are trying to cheat.
Which is all the Republicans really want. The movement to repeal the 17th started to gain steam when the GOP started to dominate state legislatures. It's another voter suppression tactic -- they're losing the country and they are trying to cheat.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
The RNC convention isn't until June.
The RNC convention isn't until June.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
So that was the right channel for SotU.
So that was the right channel for SotU.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
It feels like all but 3 and 4 would need a full amendment, for which you'd need a hell of a lot more than just 60 Senators. Not that we seriously needed to consider what would be necessary to enact this guy's fevered dream ideas.
It feels like all but 3 and 4 would need a full amendment, for which you'd need a hell of a lot more than just 60 Senators. Not that we seriously needed to consider what would be necessary to enact this guy's fevered dream ideas.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
And it's funny how you're pushing against it for effectively the same reasons. To get the real answers, flip the script. We already got that from the asses in 2009 (as I predicted), and we'll see the same thing from the ivories the next time GOP gets the presidency (and they will; remember that change and instability is good for the NWO).
And it's funny how you're pushing against it for effectively the same reasons. To get the real answers, flip the script. We already got that from the asses in 2009 (as I predicted), and we'll see the same thing from the ivories the next time GOP gets the presidency (and they will; remember that change and instability is good for the NWO).
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Wrong. I'm against it because "the cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy" (Al Smith). Indirect election via state leg was corrupt and opaque. Direct election is a better reflection of the will of the people.
I favor getting rid of the Electoral College for the same reason, even though it would hurt my side.
Wrong. I'm against it because "the cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy" (Al Smith). Indirect election via state leg was corrupt and opaque. Direct election is a better reflection of the will of the people.
I favor getting rid of the Electoral College for the same reason, even though it would hurt my side.
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FlagDUDE08
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The USA is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic, and it should very well remain as such. Ridding any sort of republican (and I don't mean GOP, I am speaking of the classic definition of the word) form of government results in the rise of oligarchs that create dictatorships. It is exactly what happened in Ancient Rome, and it will happen here if we change to a democracy.
The USA is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic, and it should very well remain as such. Ridding any sort of republican (and I don't mean GOP, I am speaking of the classic definition of the word) form of government results in the rise of oligarchs that create dictatorships. It is exactly what happened in Ancient Rome, and it will happen here if we change to a democracy.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
And direct election of senators is above board and transparent? Remember, Senators are supposed to be the ambassadors from the State to the Federal Union (Hence "the Senator from _____" when he/she is recognized).
Maybe, just maybe, legislative appointment/election of senators would lead to greater turnover in state legislatures?
And direct election of senators is above board and transparent? Remember, Senators are supposed to be the ambassadors from the State to the Federal Union (Hence "the Senator from _____" when he/she is recognized).
Maybe, just maybe, legislative appointment/election of senators would lead to greater turnover in state legislatures?
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