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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Congrats to all the special interests on the passage of the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FarmBill&src=hash">#FarmBill</a> today, especially the sugar industry!</p>— John McCain (@SenJohnMcCain) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/statuses/430793325445005312">February 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Priceless said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Congrats to all the special interests on the passage of the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FarmBill&src=hash">#FarmBill</a> today, especially the sugar industry!</p>— John McCain (@SenJohnMcCain) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/statuses/430793325445005312">February 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Congrats indeed! In celebration, we'll let those starving in the streets have an extra cubic inch of subsidized cheese today. They can even have an eighth of a teaspoon of American-made, red-white-and-blue sugar! :)
 
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Priceless said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Congrats to all the special interests on the passage of the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FarmBill&src=hash">#FarmBill</a> today, especially the sugar industry!</p>— John McCain (@SenJohnMcCain) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/statuses/430793325445005312">February 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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What else is new. I posted about that before. If you own a sugar plantation you can borrow money from the Feds for a 1.5% or less interest rate. And then you can pay the Feds back in sugar at market even if the Feds can't sell your sugar at market. In other words they basically get free money.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
What else is new. I posted about that before. If you own a sugar plantation you can borrow money from the Feds for a 1.5% or less interest rate. And then you can pay the Feds back in sugar at market even if the Feds can't sell your sugar at market. In other words they basically get free money.
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ScoobyDoo said:
What else is new. I posted about that before. If you own a sugar plantation you can borrow money from the Feds for a 1.5% or less interest rate. And then you can pay the Feds back in sugar at market even if the Feds can't sell your sugar at market. In other words they basically get free money.
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We're in agreement here. The farm industry is a major beneficiary of federal largesse.
 
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Pete Sessions: Extending Long-Term Unemployment Insurance Is 'Immoral'

After your done with that argument Pete, move on to these:

Social Security is immoral.
Food Stamps is immoral.
Welfare is immoral.
The GI Bill is immoral.
The VA is immoral.
Medicare is immoral.
Medicaid is immoral.
Unemployment Insurance in general is immoral.
Hell, insurance is immoral when you think about it in your context.
And the granddaddy of them all, Obamacare is immoral.

Get to work.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Pete Sessions: Extending Long-Term Unemployment Insurance Is 'Immoral'

After your done with that argument Pete, move on to these:

Social Security is immoral.
Food Stamps is immoral.
Welfare is immoral.
The GI Bill is immoral.
The VA is immoral.
Medicare is immoral.
Medicaid is immoral.
Unemployment Insurance in general is immoral.
Hell, insurance is immoral when you think about it in your context.
And the granddaddy of them all, Obamacare is immoral.

Get to work.
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After two years of benefits, why haven't these people transferred over to the general welfare systems? Why continue paying these people through the unemployment insurance systems when we all know they're (the unemployment insurance accounts) bankrupt now?
 
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St. Clown said:
After two years of benefits, why haven't these people transferred over to the general welfare systems? Why continue paying these people through the unemployment insurance systems when we all know they're (the unemployment insurance accounts) bankrupt now?
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Got news for you, every program I listed is bankrupt so what ****ing difference does it make?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Got news for you, every program I listed is bankrupt so what ****ing difference does it make?
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The difference is who's paying for these bankrupted programs. UI is supposed to be paid through a specific tax at the state level, and once the stated benefits run out from that, people should move to the general welfare accounts, funded by the Feds, state and local governments. To do otherwise is mission creep and changes the payer setup.
 
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St. Clown said:
The difference is who's paying for these bankrupted programs. UI is supposed to be paid through a specific tax at the state level, and once the stated benefits run out from that, people should move to the general welfare accounts, funded by the Feds, state and local governments. To do otherwise is mission creep and changes the payer setup.
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Oh, you mean how we used all the Social Security money for other things so that went bankrupt? Since when has the Feds ever isolated the funding buckets? Like, never.

They also lie about funding Federal Mandates, like Special Education. They've never met their bucket burden there.

Sorry, your accounting argument doesn't fly.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Oh, you mean how we used all the Social Security money for other things so that went bankrupt? Since when has the Feds ever isolated the funding buckets? Like, never.

They also lie about funding Federal Mandates, like Special Education. They've never met their bucket burden there.

Sorry, your accounting argument doesn't fly.
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Actually, it was leading to a bigger point, which you've mentioned. When politicians propose a new program, how can people ever trust them to ever "pay for it" with (fill in the blank) when we absolutely know the program will be expanded to such levels that its origins are completely unrecognizable today?
 
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St. Clown said:
Actually, it was leading to a bigger point, which you've mentioned. When politicians propose a new program, how can people ever trust them to ever "pay for it" with (fill in the blank) when we absolutely know the program will be expanded to such levels that its origins are completely unrecognizable today?
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I don't trust any of them for anything. They all lie and they all lie all the time. Especially about money. That's why Mr. Sessions immoral argument is laughable.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Oh, you mean how we used all the Social Security money for other things so that went bankrupt? Since when has the Feds ever isolated the funding buckets? Like, never.

They also lie about funding Federal Mandates, like Special Education. They've never met their bucket burden there.

Sorry, your accounting argument doesn't fly.
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Hang on a sec... did Scooby make a valid point when it comes to this country's economy? I might need CPR... :eek:
 
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Deficit is scheduled to come down to 400Bn in the near term. By and large most of the programs are paid for. The problem is sniveling pols won't make the relatively small tweaks to bring everything in line. Really, tell Karzai to go screw and save 100Bn a year in Afghanistan. Save at least that by canning gimmicky tax cuts and AG subsidies. Tweak Medicare to bargain for prescription drugs, add some tort reform, and crack the F down on fraud and you have the rest.

As far as paying the bills go we're actually getting pretty close.
 
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Rover said:
Deficit is scheduled to come down to 400Bn in the near term. By and large most of the programs are paid for. The problem is sniveling pols won't make the relatively small tweaks to bring everything in line. Really, tell Karzai to go screw and save 100Bn a year in Afghanistan. Save at least that by canning gimmicky tax cuts and AG subsidies. Tweak Medicare to bargain for prescription drugs, add some tort reform, and crack the F down on fraud and you have the rest.

As far as paying the bills go we're actually getting pretty close.
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In order to crack down on fraud, you have to pay people to look for it. Unless you'd like to re-purpose the NSA or TSA, that's going to be even more money. How about we look and tearing down some government-induced monopolies, such as how Medicare is a forced single-payer system? Also, one generation paying for another does not constitute funding. Let's eat that cost now, or heck punish the baby boomers for being entitled leeches, and make it a straight one-to-one.
 
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