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2nd Term, Part VI: Burnin' down the House

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We have been waiting for the Republicans for an hour now. The more time that passes with the GOP still in conference the less likely it is we see a deal.
 
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Priceless said:
We have been waiting for the Republicans for an hour now. The more time that passes with the GOP still in conference the less likely it is we see a deal.
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Maybe they're reading the legislation before they vote on it.
 
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The president already has called the GOP proposal a ransom note. The GOP proposal will appeal to the narrow tea party constituency. Listening to these House Republicans talk is a freakin' hoot. "We've been leading" "We want bi-partisan solution" "Fairness for all" What a joke.

ETA: The president's full statement:

The President has said repeatedly that Members of Congress don’t get to demand ransom for fulfilling their basic responsibilities to pass a budget and pay the nation’s bills. Unfortunately, the latest proposal from House Republicans does just that in a partisan attempt to appease a small group of Tea Party Republicans who forced the government shutdown in the first place. Democrats and Republicans in the Senate have been working in a bipartisan, good-faith effort to end the manufactured crises that have already harmed American families and business owners. With only a couple days remaining until the United States exhausts its borrowing authority, it’s time for the House to do the same.
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Also, the senate GOP was supposed to meet at 11AM, that has been postponed because the House GOP took so long. Obama will meet with Democratic leaders at 3:15.
 
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I wonder if, when the dust settles on this thing, the tea party congressmen will feel they can keep the truck nuts on their pickups back home.
 
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The president already has called the GOP proposal a ransom note. The GOP proposal will appeal to the narrow tea party constituency. Listening to these House Republicans talk is a freakin' hoot. "We've been leading" "We want bi-partisan solution" "Fairness for all" What a joke.

ETA: The president's full statement:



Also, the senate GOP was supposed to meet at 11AM, that has been postponed because the House GOP took so long. Obama will meet with Democratic leaders at 3:15.
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The Dems are playing the role of Marshal Foch. They want humiliation and total capitulation. They may get it - but a what price?
 
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The Dems are playing the role of Marshal Foch. They want humiliation and total capitulation. They may get it - but a what price?
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Wouldn't that make the GOP the Nazi's by your historical analogy?!?! :eek: ;)

From The Boner, after the House budget plan fell apart for the umpteenth time:

WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders struggled late Tuesday morning to craft a new proposal to reopen the government and change the president’s health care law, after a plan presented behind closed doors to the Republican rank-and-file failed to attract enough support immediately to pass.

After more than two hours, Republican leaders backed off the plan that had emerged this morning. Speaker John A. Boehner told reporters that there were “no decisions about what exactly we will do.”

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Can somebody tell me why this numbnuts still has a f#%^*&g job?
 
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Wouldn't that make the GOP the Nazi's by your historical analogy?!?! :eek: ;)

From The Boner, after the House budget plan fell apart for the umpteenth time:

WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders struggled late Tuesday morning to craft a new proposal to reopen the government and change the president’s health care law, after a plan presented behind closed doors to the Republican rank-and-file failed to attract enough support immediately to pass.

After more than two hours, Republican leaders backed off the plan that had emerged this morning. Speaker John A. Boehner told reporters that there were “no decisions about what exactly we will do.”

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Can somebody tell me why this numbnuts still has a f#%^*&g job?
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Foch - WW-I.
 
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Chellie Pingree (D-ME) is on local radio right now saying she still hasn't seen the details of the deal, is still optimistic of a deal. "Never say never" around here. The speaker "has a difficult caucus" but might realize he has to bring a clean bill to the floor to avoid a default. She praises Senator Collins and Senator King for their roles on the senate side.
 
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Why don't the Teabaggers just depose the guy already. Clearly he has no intention of leaving himself, but this is getting ridiculous. The Boner has no ability to close the deal. ;) Meaning his caucus has zero loyalty to him. I'd rather have a weasel like Paul Ryan in there IF he can deliver votes after agreeing to a deal.

This whole debacle is proof positive that you can't trust Republicans with power. All you get is Talibanesque social policies and lunatic economic ones. They should have a voice, but it needs to be as the loyal minority opposition until they get half way decent leadership over there.
 
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Why don't the Teabaggers just depose the guy already. Clearly he has no intention of leaving himself, but this is getting ridiculous. The Boner has no ability to close the deal. ;) Meaning his caucus has zero loyalty to him. I'd rather have a weasel like Paul Ryan in there IF he can deliver votes after agreeing to a deal.

This whole debacle is proof positive that you can't trust Republicans with power. All you get is Talibanesque social policies and lunatic economic ones. They should have a voice, but it needs to be as the loyal minority opposition until they get half way decent leadership over there.
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My friend up on the hill says that won't happen because there is no way a split R caucus could elect a new speaker. The non-TPers still vastly outnumber the Tea Party, it's just that they fear being primaried. The problem they face is if they govern like that, they get lumped in with the TP in public opinion polls and at the ballot box. They don't like that scenario either. They really are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Someone on their side of the aisle better come up with a way out because the Senate Democrats won't, and at this point I doubt the Senate GOP will either.
 
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Sigh.

When reports surfaced that House Republicans sang "Amazing Grace" during a Tuesday morning meeting, Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) responded with a laugh.

"Isn't that usually sung at funerals?" he joked with reporters.

But it turned out Connolly was more right than he realized. Right after the GOP conference sang the hymn -- all three verses, according to one lawmaker -- the meeting turned into a funeral for the latest proposal put forward by party leaders for raising the debt ceiling and ending the government shutdown. It turned out the plan laid out by House Republican leaders, which would have reopened the government and extended the debt ceiling for a few months, in addition to delaying a medical device tax under Obamacare, was dead on arrival.
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Mr. Boehner is in his office conducting a wordsearch for "tea party" in the book of job.

I understand the Hastert rule, but how do you allow yourself to be beholden to a small number of people with extreme views (on either side) who are so secure in their own narrow constituencies that they are immune to the influence of moderates? If you're the dog, how do you allow that tail to wag you? If this deal goes down the way it seems to be going, true fiscal conservatives who can distinguish good fiscal policy from social dogma will be hurt as much as anyone on that side of the aisle. And that conservative voice is an important one, whether you agree with it or not.
 
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