2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

[Kepler]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

Naw, that would require people to respect others rights. Not much interest in that anymore. Anyone not in lockstep will be hounded and harassed into submission. You vil comply.

No longer being allowed to punch a guy in the face who your daddy was allowed to punch in the face is not "oppression."

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

No longer being allowed to punch a guy in the face who your daddy was allowed to punch in the face is not "oppression."

Punching someone in the face has anything to do with what? The drama screamers are really out in force on this one, including their media toadies. Indiana seems to have singlehandedly ended civilization as we know it. How silly our nation has become and unsubstantive.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Punching someone in the face has anything to do with what? The drama screamers are really out in force on this one, including their media toadies. Indiana seems to have singlehandedly ended civilization as we know it. How silly our nation has become and unsubstantive.

Oh, here's the funny thing: Some of the states "banning travel" to Indiana have the same laws on their books. Kepler's just trying to use the grandfather clause as a crutch, as that's how the whites were able to get around the poll taxes and literacy tests preventing some from voting.

 

[Kepler]

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The drama screamers are really out in force on this one, including their media toadies. Gay marriage seems to have singlehandedly ended civilization as we know it. How silly our nation has become and unsubstantive.

Fixed your post.

The bigots had a good run, Bob; 10,000 years give or take, but it's over. The gays aren't going back to the closet, the women aren't going back to the kitchen, the atheists aren't going back to having to lie to save their jobs, if not lives.

The world grew up.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

Oh, here's the funny thing: Some of the states "banning travel" to Indiana have the same laws on their books. Kepler's just trying to use the grandfather clause as a crutch, as that's how the whites were able to get around the poll taxes and literacy tests preventing some from voting.

I actually don't know what you're talking about, but based on your posts in other places poll taxes might be a subject you should avoid...

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

Fixed your post.

The bigots had a good run, Bob; 10,000 years give or take, but it's over. The gays aren't going back to the closet, the women aren't going back to the kitchen, the atheists aren't going back to having to lie to save their jobs, if not lives.

The world grew up.

That's a lot of red herrings to fit into so few words. But typical rubbish from the haters who will brook no dissent from their world view. Schnell!

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

Oh, here's the funny thing: Some of the states "banning travel" to Indiana have the same laws on their books. Kepler's just trying to use the grandfather clause as a crutch, as that's how the whites were able to get around the poll taxes and literacy tests preventing some from voting.

You really expect logic and rationality? This is all about power and intimidation and misinformation. Fewer and fewer stand up to it. Indiana is finding out what it's like to not tow the line in a given area.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Fixed your post.

The bigots had a good run, Bob; 10,000 years give or take, but it's over. The gays aren't going back to the closet, the women aren't going back to the kitchen, the atheists aren't going back to having to lie to save their jobs, if not lives.

The world grew up.

So your solution is to push heterosexuals into the closet, men into the kitchen, and Christians to lie to save their jobs, if not lives? I wouldn't exactly call that a solution.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

I actually don't know what you're talking about, but based on your posts in other places poll taxes might be a subject you should avoid...

The grandfather clause was a historical fact, and poll taxes and literacy tests were excepted by said grandfather clause. You were trying to claim that someone not being able to punch someone felt oppressed because theri father was able to punch that same person. That is a citation of the grandfather clause. Once again, you are using old arguments with no relevance in today's society whatsoever to attempt to justify the "solution" of replacing bigotry with bigotry.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

I can sort of see the pharmacy contraception angle of this, but the easiest way around it is having a qualification for the job that you are willing to dispense all medications carried by the pharmacy. If you aren't willing to or refuse, bye bye job. If someone wants to start a religious pharmacy, I guess I'd be ok them choosing not to dispense contraceptives. It's fairly easy to just go to Walmart and get the drugs cheaper. Generally speaking, I don't agree with the whole refusing to dispense the drugs. Do your **** job. But I could see the argument being made in a sort of convoluted way.

The gay wedding thing? Using cake makers as an example, I don't see how the arguments could hold any water. You can't refuse someone because of their sexual orientation. There is no harm being caused to the cake maker.

Generally speaking though, I don't agree with these "freedom of religion" laws. *shrug*

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I can sort of see the pharmacy contraception angle of this, but the easiest way around it is having a qualification for the job that you are willing to dispense all medications carried by the pharmacy. If you aren't willing to or refuse, bye bye job. If someone wants to start a religious pharmacy, I guess I'd be ok them choosing not to dispense contraceptives. It's fairly easy to just go to Walmart and get the drugs cheaper. Generally speaking, I don't agree with the whole refusing to dispense the drugs. Do your **** job. But I could see the argument being made in a sort of convoluted way.

The gay wedding thing? Using cake makers as an example, I don't see how the arguments could hold any water. You can't refuse someone because of their sexual orientation. There is no harm being caused to the cake maker.

Generally speaking though, I don't agree with these "freedom of religion" laws. *shrug*

The point made in your first paragraph is exactly why the arguments in the second paragraph hold water. Private establishments have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Public services and utilities do not. If the cake maker doesn't want to provide the private service, said person wishing to receive said private service can just go to another cake maker, thereby resulting in the first cake maker losing money. If they want to give up a profit opportunity, that is completely that person's prerogative. If you want to go to the second cake maker because of the first cake maker's beliefs, that's also your prerogative. Let the person trying to run a business on morals go to zero. Patience is a virtue.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

So your solution is to push heterosexuals into the closet, men into the kitchen, and Christians to lie to save their jobs, if not lives? I wouldn't exactly call that a solution.

Yes, because that's what's happening.

You guys project so much you should work in movies.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

Fixed your post.

The bigots had a good run, Bob; 10,000 years give or take, but it's over. The gays aren't going back to the closet, the women aren't going back to the kitchen, the atheists aren't going back to having to lie to save their jobs, if not lives.

The world grew up.

About half of what you said here doesn't really apply to the world the way you're making it sound. Like you said just yesterday, read comments to the YouTube video FlagDude linked, and you'll see that bigotry is alive and well. It's merely changed in how it's expressed in modern culture. Also, I can tell you that me stating I'm an atheist in America these days won't get me lynched, beheaded or worse, but it won't endear me to many people either. Meanwhile in certain areas of the world we very well could suffer such fates. The vast majority of the world's population still believes in some sort of deity or another, and that includes our own nation. We do get queer looks when stating our atheism, and you living near the Bible Belt should note that much more than I ever would, unless you've learn to blind yourself to it.

Even in America, much of it still operates with older world views, it's just become more sophisticated, and yet at the same time more cowardly, in those expressions. People express them anonymously through messageboards and comments sections rather than shooting them in the streets, directly to a person's face.

 

[Kepler]

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The gay wedding thing? Using cake makers as an example, I don't see how the arguments could hold any water. You can't refuse someone because of their sexual orientation. There is no harm being caused to the cake maker.

The harm is they can't export their hatred to the public sphere. That's what this is all about -- some really radical people believe that the thwarting of their imposition of their religious values on everyone else is oppressive. These are people who lived their whole lives with the benefit of a double standard of a near state religion in some parts of the country, because politicians (who were probably agnostic) knew they had to pander to the local cult to get elected. Religious minorities were out of luck, but it was a world of many backwaters of ignorance where the local cult went unchallenged anyway, and anyone who was miserable split for the city and a better life.

Somewhere along the line, communications got good enough to start washing the disinfectant of sunlight even under those rocks, and what we've been seeing the last 30 years with the Moral Majority and their ilk is the bugs scurrying. From Texas to Tehran, it's the same people. They will be forever holding "last stands," protecting their habits of bigotry, and dressing them up in such over-the-top ways that Broadway directors would blush.

The greatest thing about the Thumpers is, for all their hatred and fear of teh gayz, they're the biggest drama queens going.

 

[Rover]

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. Private establishments have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. .

No, they don't. You can't have a whites only restaurant, movie theatre, or school. I believe this was settled 50 years ago if you're having trouble keeping up.

And I thought Opie lived too far in the past....

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

So your solution is to push heterosexuals into the closet, men into the kitchen, and Christians to lie to save their jobs, if not lives? I wouldn't exactly call that a solution.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is alive and well, and then some. These people still don't grasp that the dominant culture in this country is now quite anti-Christian. There is almost nothing on television, in the media, on the movie screen or elsewhere in popular culture here that remotely reflects traditional Christian perspectives, and much that is openly hostile and mocking of it. Talk above living in the past!

 

[Bob Gray]

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Yes, because that's what's happening.

You guys project so much you should work in movies.

Your last statement is far more ironic than you may ever understand.

 

[unofan]

Your last statement is far more ironic than you may ever understand.

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black...

 

[unofan]

No, they don't. You can't have a whites only restaurant, movie theatre, or school. I believe this was settled 50 years ago if you're having trouble keeping up.

And I thought Opie lived too far in the past....

Private establishments have the right to refuse service for any legal reason.

Amazing how the same people always seem to forget that one word.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

Following me again I see. Even when I stay away for awhile and them come back, he finds me. Took him ten minutes though. He's slipping.