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2nd Term Part IX - How Lame is my Duck

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Priceless said:
I seem to recall the GOP making a lot of noise about WWII memorials being closed...but I'm sure I'm misremembering.
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Yes, they were mad because those shutdowns were done with the express purpose of upsetting people, and the Republicans took the bait. There was no cost to keeping those memorials open, and it actually cost the government more to close them, but it created a disruption that was visible to the public at large. The few services that actually were cut back during the slowdown were all services that the average person wouldn't ever see, so the impacts were neglible to the general public. That's why the memorials were closed to the public.
 
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As if the shutdown itself wasn't just posturing by the GOP. :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
As if the shutdown itself wasn't just posturing by the GOP. :rolleyes:
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The shutdown was a principled stand by the party that put two wars, a Wall Street bailout and a gift to the drug companies on the credit card.

Remember, 'Deficits don't matter (unless a Democrat is in the White House).'
 
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Kepler said:
As if the shutdown itself wasn't just posturing by the GOP. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, mostly. But they could have played the war memorial shutdowns differently than they did, using them to their advantage. Instead, all the GOP did was holler and make fools of themselves.
 
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Priceless said:
The shutdown was a principled stand by the party that put two wars, a Wall Street bailout and a gift to the drug companies on the credit card.

Remember, 'Deficits don't matter (unless a Democrat is in the White House).'
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Ding Ding Ding.
 
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Priceless said:
The shutdown was a principled stand by the party that put two wars, a Wall Street bailout and a gift to the drug companies on the credit card.

Remember, 'Deficits don't matter (unless a Democrat is in the White House).'
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Not that facts are that important but the Wall Street bailout vote in early October 2008 was as follows:

Senate Republicans

34 yea
15 nay

Senate Democrats

39 yea
9 nay

Senate Independents

1 yea
1 nay

Kennedy didn't vote

House Republicans

91 yea
108 nay

House Democrats

172 yea
63 nay
 
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SJHovey said:
Not that facts are that important but the Wall Street bailout vote in early October 2008 was as follows
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Oh, for Pete's sake...

Those House GOPers were only able to do that because the Dems gave them cover. That was one of the great orchestrated votes of all time -- anybody who thinks party affiliation had anything to do with it (either way) has zero knowledge of how DC actually works.

Take a look at the Senate vote. Those are the rough percentages you would have seen in the House if it hadn't been fixed. That was a conspiracy of the center of both parties against the flanks: the good guys in that scenario were liberals and the hard core knucks, but enough were chewed off that they couldn't stop the bailout.

But here's the thing -- nothing prevents a future Congress from going back and imposing severe sanctions and regulations on the financial institutions that stole trillions from the country. So, you guys are in power now -- we should expect that any day from you now, right? :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
Oh, for Pete's sake...

Those House GOPers were only able to do that because the Dems gave them cover. That was one of the great orchestrated votes of all time -- anybody who thinks party affiliation had anything to do with it (either way) has zero knowledge of how DC actually works.

Take a look at the Senate vote. Those are the rough percentages you would have seen in the House if it hadn't been fixed. That was a conspiracy of the center of both parties against the flanks: the good guys in that scenario were liberals and the hard core knucks, but enough were chewed off that they couldn't stop the bailout.

But here's the thing -- nothing prevents a future Congress from going back and imposing severe sanctions and regulations on the financial institutions that stole trillions from the country. So, you guys are in power now -- we should expect that any day from you now, right? :rolleyes:
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I don't think party affiliation had anything to do with it. You're mistaking me for Priceless.
 
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SJHovey said:
I don't think party affiliation had anything to do with it. You're mistaking me for Priceless.
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I'm sorry. Tories have tried like hell to paint this as "Obama's Bailout" and you know that isn't true. He wasn't yet president when all this happened. Hell, he wasn't even President-elect yet! Remember McCain suspending his campaign to deal with the crisis?

The national debt, and an annual deficit, was a non-factor until a Democrat was president - then it became a life or death issue. It's funny the Tories are making such a noise about it, since the annual deficit keeps shrinking...you'd think they'd be celebrating Obama's success.
 
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I'm sorry. Tories have tried like hell to paint this as "Obama's Bailout" and you know that isn't true. He wasn't yet president when all this happened. Hell, he wasn't even President-elect yet! Remember McCain suspending his campaign to deal with the crisis?

The national debt, and an annual deficit, was a non-factor until a Democrat was president - then it became a life or death issue. It's funny the Tories are making such a noise about it, since the annual deficit keeps shrinking...you'd think they'd be celebrating Obama's success.
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And the GOP was summarily booted from all control of the federal government. It could have stayed that way for a while but hubris invaded the soul of the Democratic party and they overreached and were booted in 2010 & 2014.

Now let's see if the GOP had learned it's lesson.
 
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And the GOP was summarily booted from all control of the federal government. It could have stayed that way for a while but hubris invaded the soul of the Democratic party and they overreached and were booted in 2010 & 2014.

Now let's see if the GOP had learned it's lesson.
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I almost fell out of my chair laughing
 
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Priceless said:
I'm sorry. Tories have tried like hell to paint this as "Obama's Bailout" and you know that isn't true. He wasn't yet president when all this happened. Hell, he wasn't even President-elect yet! Remember McCain suspending his campaign to deal with the crisis?

The national debt, and an annual deficit, was a non-factor until a Democrat was president - then it became a life or death issue. It's funny the Tories are making such a noise about it, since the annual deficit keeps shrinking...you'd think they'd be celebrating Obama's success.
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It was you who claimed a "party", singular, put the bailout on a national credit card. We all know you weren't referring to the Democratic party.

The vote, as noted in facts I posted, was clearly the work of people in both parties.

As for the claim this was "Obama's Bailout", that is certainly nothing I've claimed. As I recall the events you now describe as the "Tories trying like hell to paint this as Obama's Bailout" was Republicans reminding people that Obama was one of those Senators who voted in favor of the bailout, as Obama and the Democrats attempted to flee the public backlash in the weeks that followed.
 
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Hello? The entire world economy collapses without the bailout. When they say too big to fail, they mean it.
 
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IIRC the GOP wanted a situation where the Dems passed the bailout with no GOP votes even though it was a Bush II/Hank Paulson proposal. Pelosi said no way and the initial vote failed which sent the stock market into a deep dive. On the second attempt the GOP stopped acting like little biatches and actually took a tough vote. For some reason McConnell didn't try to filibuster the bill in the Senate. :rolleyes:

What I find amusing in all of this is the tone of conservatives/knucks/righties. One would think after a good election year we'd be dealing with happy knuckledraggers. Instead its the same old bitterness and bile, perfectly summarized by some nutso GOP staffer thinking the Prez' 13 and 16 year old daughters are fair game. Its almost like you dinosaurs know you can't stop the country's leftward march, so one wonders why you bother voting. :confused:
 
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Yes, they were mad because those shutdowns were done with the express purpose of upsetting people, and the Republicans took the bait. There was no cost to keeping those memorials open, and it actually cost the government more to close them, but it created a disruption that was visible to the public at large. The few services that actually were cut back during the slowdown were all services that the average person wouldn't ever see, so the impacts were neglible to the general public. That's why the memorials were closed to the public.
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Wait a minute. You actually bought the Fox News spin calling it a slowdown?

Seriously, their branding actually worked?
 
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unofan said:
Wait a minute. You actually bought the Fox News spin calling it a slowdown?

Seriously, their branding actually worked?
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I don't watch Fox News, so I don't know about their spin. However, if that's what they were calling it, then they'd be right. Something like 78% of all federal government activities were still happening during the heinous "shutdown," which is why I refuse to call it such a thing.
 
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It's amazing that no one on the right watches Faux "News" or voted for George W Bush.
 
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It's amazing you think all people even a nanometer right of center are all tea party racists who Have Fox News on an IV mainlined.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It's amazing you think all people even a nanometer right of center are all tea party racists who Have Fox News on an IV mainlined.
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Before the election I was talking with a friend about politicians, and I gave him my take. I think of them like my cable/satellite provider. Basically, a necessary evil.

They present their package to you. It contains about 7 things you really like or think you want. The other 500 are complete b.s., and if you could figure a way to cut them out, you would in a heartbeat. But, of course, you can't. To get what you want, you gotta accept all the b.s. that goes with it.

What we see is people, on both the right and the left, who love to paint with the broad brush when they want to insult the other side. "Ah ha ha. You're an Oxygen channel lover. It's right there on your tv." Whatever.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It's amazing you think all people even a nanometer right of center are all tea party racists who Have Fox News on an IV mainlined.
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That's a beautiful straw man. How long did it take you to build it?
 
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