2020 Regional sites - any predictions?

[J.D.]

Re: 2020 Regional sites - any predictions?

I thought they did away with teams hosting in their own rink? What would make Wisconsin/Kohl Center different?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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That they lost is the lead indicator that they care more about neutrality than revenue.

Which is a shame, since the selection committee doesn’t feel the same way.

Maybe. BUt I think you would need to see the bid matrix to get a total package value. If the value Madison was offering was garbage, yeah they probably wouldn't be picked. If Loveland offered 100% of gate and 90% of concessions, kinda hard to beat that.

 

[J.D.]

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By my count, the distance between the "Midwest" Regional and the West Regional is 1,708 miles.

That also means there are only FIVE west schools within 500 miles of a regional site:

Allentown - 164 to Penn State, 448 to Ohio State (next closest 510 to BGSU)
Loveland - 40 to Denver, 120 to Colorado College & Air Force Academy (next closest 530 to Omaha)

Another big F U to the west. What a joke.

OK then who bid and got denied? You're only accounting for one of the years. The year after has both Loveland and Fargo. So that's a big change.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

I thought they did away with teams hosting in their own rink? What would make Wisconsin/Kohl Center different?

Nothing, as it turns out, since they rejected the bid.

But, what would make it different is the fact that a Madison regional is highly likely to have waaaaaaaay more people show up.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2020 Regional sites - any predictions?

I thought they did away with teams hosting in their own rink? What would make Wisconsin/Kohl Center different?

Nothing. Notre Dame hosted at their own rink not terribly long ago. It's an arbitrary rule that can be arbitrarily enforced.

 

[J.D.]

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Nothing, as it turns out, since they rejected the bid.

But, what would make it different is the fact that a Madison regional is highly likely to have waaaaaaaay more people show up.

I guess what I was asking is I didn't even know they were taking bids from on campus facilities like the Kohl Center. If Wisconsin/KC submitted a bid that makes it seem like you can still in fact host a regional on campus.

 

[John J. MacInnes]

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OK then who bid and got denied? You're only accounting for one of the years. The year after has both Loveland and Fargo. So that's a big change.

2021 ups it to ELEVEN schools within 500 miles.

Same 3 in Loveland
Fargo - 80 miles to NoDak, 129 to Bemidji, 172 to St. Cloud, 235 to Minneapolis, 239 to Duluth, 274 to Mankato, 424 to Omaha, 455 to Michigan Tech (next closest is 503 to Madison)

Two of those are still at least a 7 hour drive. Yeah, that's soooo much better.

 

[John J. MacInnes]

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And in 2020, there is ONE eastern school that isn't within 500 miles of THREE regional sites:

Orono to Allentown is 546 miles, so Maine is the only one.

If attendance is bad, the blame is squarely on the east. Period.

 

[chickod]

Re: 2020 Regional sites - any predictions?

2021 ups it to ELEVEN schools within 500 miles.

Same 3 in Loveland
Fargo - 80 miles to NoDak, 129 to Bemidji, 172 to St. Cloud, 235 to Minneapolis, 239 to Duluth, 274 to Mankato, 424 to Omaha, 455 to Michigan Tech (next closest is 503 to Madison)

Two of those are still at least a 7 hour drive. Yeah, that's soooo much better.

Isn't that sort of the point? The schools in the West are too far apart for many of them to be within "driving distance" (depending upon what your definition of that is), so the assumption is made that fans of those schools will have to fly anyway. If that's the case, they are going to put the event in a larger metropolitan area to ensure a large attendance. The East is more congested. I'm sure you people out there brag about how you have so much "open space" and "quality of life." Well, you can't have it both ways.

 

[ticapnews]

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And in 2020, there is ONE eastern school that isn't within 500 miles of THREE regional sites:

Orono to Allentown is 546 miles, so Maine is the only one.

If attendance is bad, the blame is squarely on the east. Period.

Attendance in the east hasn't been a problem.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Attendance in the east hasn't been a problem.

I am curious how Allentown would do if it was the host for the East regional. They’ve done well as it is.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I am curious how Allentown would do if it was the host for the East regional. They’ve done well as it is.

I don't think the NCAA is interested in biting the hand that feeds them.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

I don't think the NCAA is interested in biting the hand that feeds them.

I don’t expect that they would. There’s really no reason for them to change up much of what they’ve done for the East/NE regionals.

I’m still curious, though.

 

[J.D.]

Re: 2020 Regional sites - any predictions?

2021 ups it to ELEVEN schools within 500 miles.

Same 3 in Loveland
Fargo - 80 miles to NoDak, 129 to Bemidji, 172 to St. Cloud, 235 to Minneapolis, 239 to Duluth, 274 to Mankato, 424 to Omaha, 455 to Michigan Tech (next closest is 503 to Madison)

Two of those are still at least a 7 hour drive. Yeah, that's soooo much better.

You guys can't have it both ways. There will be two western regionals in 2021 rather than three in the Eastern time zone. You might not like it but without dissecting which true midwest bids got denied, it is what it is.

 

[SJHovey]

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Isn't that sort of the point? The schools in the West are too far apart for many of them to be within "driving distance" (depending upon what your definition of that is), so the assumption is made that fans of those schools will have to fly anyway. If that's the case, they are going to put the event in a larger metropolitan area to ensure a large attendance. The East is more congested. I'm sure you people out there brag about how you have so much "open space" and "quality of life." Well, you can't have it both ways.

The problem is most of us "out here" don't consider the west or midwest to be located 80 miles from the Atlantic Ocean.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Schlossman reported that he’d gotten a tip that UND also bid REA, but that is unconfirmed.

If true, I think it’s remarkable that REA and the Kohl Center both got shot down.

 

[TheRevengeance]

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No, it's definitely the NCAA's fault that the western teams are so far apart. They could totally have picked a regional location within 500 miles of every western school if they just bent their map of America a little bit and removed some of that darn space.

 

[Siouxfaninseattle]

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Break even attendance is around 2500. Best case scenario is a capacity crowd that averages about $30/person on concessions, parking and souvenirs and even then the organizers are looking at ~$130,000 profit. The only way this works in almost any western city (and many in the east) is if you are able to get funding from the local CoC or a tourism group in town. All those people will need hotels, food and things to do when not watching hockey. Of course the area is already lousy with tourists since this is ski country. Loveland Ski Area is open into May. Will many locals be that excited about a hockey tournament when they're busy with an already robust tourism industry? I guess we'll see next March.

Just a mini geography lesson - the town of Loveland is 40-50 miles north of Denver. The Loveland ski area is 50-60 miles west of Denver. I get your point but it's not too likely that people that go to the regional would be even considering Loveland ski area, and the town of Loveland has virtually no tourism.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: 2020 Regional sites - any predictions?

Schlossman reported that he’d gotten a tip that UND also bid REA, but that is unconfirmed.

If true, I think it’s remarkable that REA and the Kohl Center both got shot down.

If true I assume it's just a continuation of the NCAA policy that if a non-school site bids, they won't consider an on campus site.

 

[ticapnews]

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Just a mini geography lesson - the town of Loveland is 40-50 miles north of Denver. The Loveland ski area is 50-60 miles west of Denver. I get your point but it's not too likely that people that go to the regional would be even considering Loveland ski area, and the town of Loveland has virtually no tourism.

I wondered about that when I was doing my quick research this morning. I assumed it was a misunderstanding in geography. LOL. That does change the calculus, but not the basic math. The host committee still will need financial support from the local business. Without a bustling tourism industry, hockey does make a more attractive option.