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2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

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SJHovey said:
My wife and I consider the kids' college housing costs to be the one major mistake we made in our lives.

Before the oldest headed off to college we had decided that we were going to foot the bill for their four year undergraduate degree at the University of Minnesota. A lot of our friends suggested it was a bad idea, for a variety of reasons, including the proverbial "no skin the game" argument. But we ultimately decided that since we could afford to pay that bill, and because if we didn't they were likely looking at student loan debt that would sabotage things like houses, cars, families, etc..., for not just years but decades, it was our chance to give them a leg up over what many of their contemporaries faced coming out of college.

We don't regret that decision one bit, especially when I read all the horror stories now of kids and their debt. What we do regret is not proceeding with a plan that I knew was a great idea but I just couldn't pull the trigger on, and that was buying a condominium in Minneapolis/St. Paul and basically making the girls live there instead of in the dorms and apartments they ultimately chose. I would have been building equity instead of U of M buildings. Bad decision.
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This is basically what my dad did for my brother’s graduate school and residency housing. Not a bad idea if you can afford it.
 
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trixR4kids said:
This is basically what my dad did for my brother’s graduate school and residency housing. Not a bad idea if you can afford it.
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I know a family that did that for the University of Minnesota and two of their kids. No ****ing way I could (have) swing something like that.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I know a family that did that for the University of Minnesota and two of their kids. No ****ing way I could (have) swing something like that.
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It wasn't going to be a condo overlooking the Stone Arch Bridge or anything. :p

Part of the problem was this was 15 years ago, before the recession hit. The condo market in the Twin Cities was just a bit ridiculous with people buying condos solely for the purpose of selling them a couple of months later at a profit. I might be the only one saying this, but if only that recession had hit about three years earlier.
 
SJHovey said:
It wasn't going to be a condo overlooking the Stone Arch Bridge or anything. :p

Part of the problem was this was 15 years ago, before the recession hit. The condo market in the Twin Cities was just a bit ridiculous with people buying condos solely for the purpose of selling them a couple of months later at a profit. I might be the only one saying this, but if only that recession had hit about three years earlier.
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If that we’re the case I’d still have been in school at the time and the market would’ve probably recovered by the time I graduated. That would’ve been a lot better than taking some **** job after graduation.
 
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This is a pathetic smear.

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Hopefully this run is just as embarrassing as all the previous ones :D
 
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That is cause Kerry was better than him ;)
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Godd-mnit, Joe.
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Plenty of room and he does speak for a fair part of the Democratic electorate.

My test for a candidate this time is can you put forward your vision without crapping on your rivals? I think Handsome Joe will fit that bill. I frankly worry more about younger or more progressive candidates (or their supporters) attacking him and being unnecessarily fractious.

Also there's this: my guess is Biden is among the favorites, if not the favorite, for Rover's faction. Yet, I don't hate him. That's good. The Russian bots will be out in force trying to get us to turn on each other. I hope we all learned a lesson in 2016.
 
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Kepler said:
Plenty of room and he does speak for a fair part of the Democratic electorate.

My test for a candidate this time is can you put forward your vision without crapping on your rivals? I think Handsome Joe will fit that bill. I frankly worry more about younger or more progressive candidates (or their supports) attacking him and being unnecessarily fractious.

Also there's this: my guess is Biden is among the favorites, if not the favorite, for Rover's faction. Yet, I don't hate him. That's good. The Russian bots will be out in force trying to get us to turn on each other. I hope we all learned a lesson in 2016.
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They're going to turn on eachother whether you want them to or not. The only hope is none of them will pull a Sanders after they lose.
 
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Biden has to run...in the same way Bernie has to run. These are the candidates vocal parts of the Party want to see and they either have to prove those factions right by beating all the rest or they have to lose so they are not some convenient excuse for why "X Candidate Lost to Trump".

Biden is very likable but I dont see many of the youth voting for him so he wont make it very far. That said though the guy did force Obama Left on issues (remember Biden supported Gay Marriage publicly which forced Obama to almost over night) and doesnt really fear backlash for his ideas so he will force some to go places they dont want to. He also isnt afraid to make mistakes or to answer about his past issues. If he is willing to say he is wrong about things (like Anita Hill) that will put him a step ahead of many out there.

He should go on Faux the day he announces...he definitely appeals to the geriatrics :p
 
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That's fine. Biden can run and so can Bernie. Neither will receive my vote. If I had to choose between the two I would pick Bernie is a New York minute.

Frankly of all the candidates right now the only candidate addressing my needs is Elizabeth Warren. The Video I posted of Robert Reich the other day (gee, that wasn't a Trump or Right Winger thing? ***?) really demonstrated how awesome and effective her wealth tax would be and that needs to be on everyone's agenda as far as I am concerned.

Worth it to post the link to the video again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnoLAMHwf2I
 
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Kepler said:
My test for a candidate this time is can you put forward your vision without crapping on your rivals? I think Handsome Joe will fit that bill. I frankly worry more about younger or more progressive candidates (or their supporters) attacking him and being unnecessarily fractious.

Also there's this: my guess is Biden is among the favorites, if not the favorite, for Rover's faction. Yet, I don't hate him. That's good. The Russian bots will be out in force trying to get us to turn on each other. I hope we all learned a lesson in 2016.
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It depends what you mean by attack, he has a questionable past of supporting a lot of terrible policies and that's on top of all his other behavior that we all know about. Realistically the press is going to point those things out because they're huge weaknesses that, if he did win the primary, would undoubtedly be attacked by Trump. I also think it's fair to draw lines in the sand in terms of policy and at the very least point out differences there.

And Scooby I really like Warren as well and I think her policies are great, possibly even better than Bernie's in some cases. She'd be my second choice for sure and it sucks that she's behind some of these completely vapid candidates who were "just born to run!" or whatever :rolleyes:
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That's fine. Biden can run and so can Bernie. Neither will receive my vote. If I had to choose between the two I would pick Bernie is a New York minute.

Frankly of all the candidates right now the only candidate addressing my needs is Elizabeth Warren. The Video I posted of Robert Reich the other day (gee, that wasn't a Trump or Right Winger thing? ***?) really demonstrated how awesome and effective her wealth tax would be and that needs to be on everyone's agenda as far as I am concerned.

Worth it to post the link to the video again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnoLAMHwf2I
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Warren is miles better than Clinton policy-wise, but the working class voters with "economic anxiety" are going to hate her the same way they did Clinton. Unfortunately, we have to win some of those *******s.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Warren is miles better than Clinton policy-wise, but the working class voters with "economic anxiety" are going to hate her the same way they did Clinton. Unfortunately, we have to win some of those *******s.
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Warren has an advantage in that if you listen to her for a few minutes you think "she makes sense." Hillary didn't have that -- I agreed with a lot of what Hillary was saying but when she was speaking I would reflexively check my wallet.

Obviously the 35% won't listen to Warren. They will already have been signed, sealed, and delivered to whichever Plute clod Fox has sold their rights to. But that still leaves 65% of the population potentially receptive to Liz' plain common sense kitchen table ideas and prescriptions. I'm surprised she's polling so low right now but this is still such early days that candidates are polling strictly on whatever momentum they've gotten from their Morning Joe appearances.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Warren is miles better than Clinton policy-wise, but the working class voters with "economic anxiety" are going to hate her the same way they did Clinton. Unfortunately, we have to win some of those *******s.
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IMO I need these (4) things. Although it's too late for me for most of them.

1. Wealth Tax (see Elizabeth Warren for details).
2. The Progressive tax outlined by AOC. Basically 70% over 10 million. 1 and 2 are both required.
3. Green New Deal. I actually know and understand what this is and what it's going to accomplish if passed and then implemented.
4. Medicaid for all under 50 (this is Obamacare with a public option added). Medicare for all over 50. This is Medicare for everyone over 50. This is a compromise, compromise on my part. Private Insurance still exists. People will still be buying Medicare supplemental insurance so it doesn't destroy the private market (though the private market deserves to be destroyed).

If you're not proposing these 4 things or something close to it I will not support you in the primary and I will likely be holding my nose on election day. As of right now Warren and Bernie are the only ones in the ballpark.
 
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